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Re: Show HN: Subtask – Organize projects the way your mind works

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Post by bobwaycott »

wikwocket wrote: post #8
ozataman wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it should be the absolute requirement for this kind of app on all tiers - free or otherwise.

Why? If it is a feature that will encourage people to upgrade, and/or a feature that only concerns the kind of people who buy "Enterprise" plans, then why not use it as a cost differentiator among the plans? I can see how SSL is important, but the 2 lower plans are free and a few bucks a month. I don't see a problem with reserving this to the bigger plans.

SSL concerns the kind of people Subtask is marketing its product to. Including me. It's a non-starter as-is. I was interested to sign up and try it out right until then.

Security is never a feature. The app lost all credibility at that point.

Re: Show HN: Subtask – Organize projects the way your mind works

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Post by skolor »

wikwocket wrote: post #8
ozataman wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it should be the absolute requirement for this kind of app on all tiers - free or otherwise.

Why? If it is a feature that will encourage people to upgrade, and/or a feature that only concerns the kind of people who buy "Enterprise" plans, then why not use it as a cost differentiator among the plans? I can see how SSL is important, but the 2 lower plans are free and a few bucks a month. I don't see a problem with reserving this to the bigger plans.

Pay-for-security is a bad path to go down. Compare pay-for-ssl to using md5 on the lower tier for password encryption, while the upper tiers get something like bcrypt, or you only get a salted password if you pay extra.

It seems pretty absurd to require a payment for security, especially when you're implementing it for a subset of users. Its true that SSL is going to be more taxing on their servers, but the majority of the cost is going to be spent getting an engineer to implement it, rather than the actual operational costs.

Re: Show HN: Subtask – Organize projects the way your mind works

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Post by JangoSteve »

wikwocket wrote: post #8
ozataman wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it should be the absolute requirement for this kind of app on all tiers - free or otherwise.

Why? If it is a feature that will encourage people to upgrade, and/or a feature that only concerns the kind of people who buy "Enterprise" plans, then why not use it as a cost differentiator among the plans? I can see how SSL is important, but the 2 lower plans are free and a few bucks a month. I don't see a problem with reserving this to the bigger plans.

Normally, I'd completely agree that if it's a feature people want, then they can pay for it. But SSL isn't just about protecting the person's data, it's about preventing people from snooping their login credentials over unencrypted traffic (e.g. at a coffee shop). If they use the same login as their email or other accounts, then by excluding SSL from any tier, you're putting those users at risk, not just within your own app, but for their other accounts as well.

In an ideal world, if your app has the ability to login, it should have SSL. And I'm not trying to be a judgmental idealist either, just answering the "why" question after thinking it through. I'm certainly guilty of having a couple old apps out there I've not yet updated to use SSL. I think I may have to go do that now.

Re: Show HN: Subtask – Organize projects the way your mind works

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Post by Robin_Message »

This looks pretty cool, I will try it out.

One thing that is important to me in mind-mapping-type tools is good keyboard navigation. This one is pretty good, but I think going left then immediately right (-1+1=0) should end on the same item, not the top of the list of children of the left-hand item (and the same for left-left-right-right etc.)

Re: Show HN: Subtask – Organize projects the way your mind works

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Post by michael_p »

JangoSteve wrote: post #16
wikwocket wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? If it is a feature that will encourage people to upgrade, and/or a feature that only concerns the kind of people who buy "Enterprise" plans, then why not use it as a cost differentiator among the plans? I can see how SSL is important, but the 2 lower plans are free and a few bucks a month. I don't see a problem with reserving this to the bigger plans.

Normally, I'd completely agree that if it's a feature people want, then they can pay for it. But SSL isn't just about protecting the person's data, it's about preventing people from snooping their login credentials over unencrypted traffic (e.g. at a coffee shop). If they use the same login as their email or other accounts, then by excluding SSL from any tier, you're putting those users at risk, not just within your…

You're completely right and in fact all URLs where your login credentials are transfered (login, signup, change password) are guaranteed to be SSL regardless of which plan you're on.

Re: Show HN: Subtask – Organize projects the way your mind works

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Post by robert_tweed »

Looks awesome and I'm definitely going to be trying this out. My only initial concern is about how quickly I can input a long list of tasks. I don't see anything to add a sibling tasks; a button (with keyboard shortcut) for this would definitely speed that up.

Also, it would be nice if when editing a task, it could centre itself onscreen or display the text you're typing in a floating box. Otherwise you quickly find yourself typing off the edge of the browser window, having to stop typing and pan with the mouse, which is a minor inconvenience.

What are your plans for tablet support? I currently dump all my initial ideas into iThoughts and then use something else for managing an active project. I could see this replacing that workflow with one thing.

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