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Re: Show HN: A new benchmark for testing LLMs for deterministic outputs

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hmm why can't structured decoding be used?

We saw that structured decoding didn't make a difference in the quality of the output.

Check out the paper section "6.3 Structured Decoding Ablation"

Paper: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2604.25359

We ran the comparison and saw no difference, so to keep the bench consistent since some models don't support structured decoding we used greedy decoding on all models.

Re: Show HN: A new benchmark for testing LLMs for deterministic outputs

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This is just a hallucinations benchmark on a subset of outputs, not sure there's a value over general hallucinations benchmarks? > Our goal is to be the best general model for deterministic tasks I'm sorry but this simply doesn't make sense. If you want a deterministic output don't use an LLM.

General hallucinations benchmarks tend to be knowledge specific like GPQA or MMLU but none specifically measure structured output end-to-end which is one of the biggest use case for LLMs.

Many developer workflows use LLMs to produce structured artifacts due to it's flexibility of consuming unstructured inputs.

> "don't use an LLM"

Partially agree, that's what we're building towards at interfaze.ai a hybrid between transformers (LLMs) and traditional CNN/DNN architecture to solve this problem of "deterministic" output. This give devs the flexibility of custom schema definitions and unstructured input while still getting high quality structured output like you would get from a CNN models like EasyOCR.

The industry is moving toward using LLMs for more and more deterministic tasks so this benchmarks allows us to now measure it.

Re: Show HN: A new benchmark for testing LLMs for deterministic outputs

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Even when the JSON pass rate is at 97% the real challenge is that the accuracy gap is invisible at the record level. Nothing flags it without a baseline to check against. Parse error is rarely where it goes wrong in my experience. 'Valid' but incorrect data is what actually reaches production.

Re: Show HN: A new benchmark for testing LLMs for deterministic outputs

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Thank you for sharing benchmark. However, the results are selective. Why no Opus 4.7? Why Gemini 3.1 Pro is missing? If there is some other criterion (e.g. models within certain time or budget), great - just make it explicit. When I see "Top 5 at a glance" and it missed key frontier models, I am (at best) confused.

Yeah we selected models that are most commonly integrated in developer workflows and being used for structured output. Typically those models tend to be in the low -mid cost range and with no or low reasoning. For the benchmark, was kept consistent across all models and typically opus and 3.1 pro would be overkill and expensive even with reasoning off. Good point tho, will add this point in the blog too :) Also the b…

Then the way to go is to use Pareto frontier, e.g. https://quesma.com/benchmarks/binaryaudit/#cost

If you want to avoid using Opus 4.7 them why GPT-5.4 (unless with a disclaimer that it is low reasoning setting, or check that on medium its price is comparable with Haiku/Flash).

Also, usually it is good to look at the newest model. Gemini 2.5 Flash is quite dated. Gemini 3.1 Flash Lite is the new one (https://openrouter.ai/google/gemini-3.1-flash-lite-preview).

Re: Show HN: A new benchmark for testing LLMs for deterministic outputs

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This is just a hallucinations benchmark on a subset of outputs, not sure there's a value over general hallucinations benchmarks? > Our goal is to be the best general model for deterministic tasks I'm sorry but this simply doesn't make sense. If you want a deterministic output don't use an LLM.

LLMs are not inherently non-deterministic. This is a common misconception. You used to be able to set temp=0 and a fixed seed and get the same output every time. This broke when labs started implementing batching, and no one bothered fixing it because the benefits of batching vastly outweighed the demand for deterministic output.

I am hopeful deterministic output will return, though; DeepSeek v4 claims to have implemented "bitwise batch-invariant and deterministic kernels," though I haven't tested it myself.

Re: Show HN: A new benchmark for testing LLMs for deterministic outputs

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Thank you for sharing benchmark. However, the results are selective. Why no Opus 4.7? Why Gemini 3.1 Pro is missing? If there is some other criterion (e.g. models within certain time or budget), great - just make it explicit. When I see "Top 5 at a glance" and it missed key frontier models, I am (at best) confused.

Yeah we selected models that are most commonly integrated in developer workflows and being used for structured output. Typically those models tend to be in the low -mid cost range and with no or low reasoning. For the benchmark, was kept consistent across all models and typically opus and 3.1 pro would be overkill and expensive even with reasoning off. Good point tho, will add this point in the blog too :) Also the b…

The value of such a benchmark, to me, would be, "what is peak performance", not just "what is mid-tier performance". Also, possibly, "what's the per-dollar performance". Time and money permitting, I'd really want to see your benchmark extended to the large reasoning models.
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