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Show HN: Klaus – OpenClaw on a VM, batteries included

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Re: Show HN: Klaus – OpenClaw on a VM, batteries included

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Post by robthompson2018 »

hasa wrote: post #3

I get impression that this is automation tool for sales people. Does it do robotic phone calls to try to book meetings with customers?

We certainly have customers who work in sales, but that's not the only use case.

OpenClaw is capable of using ElevenLabs or other providers to make phone calls, but I personally haven't done this and as far as I know none of our customers have either. Is AI good enough at cold calling yet for this to work? I personally would never entertain such a call.

Re: Show HN: Klaus – OpenClaw on a VM, batteries included

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Post by grim_io »

TheDong wrote: post #7
ndnichols wrote: post #5

This sounds awesome and exactly like the easy and safe on-ramp to OpenClaw that I've been looking for! I want to believe. Two questions as a potential user who knows the gist of OpenClaw but has been afraid to try it: 1. I don't understand how the two consumption credits play into the total cost of ownership. E.g. how long will $20 of Orthogonal credits last me? I have no idea what it will actually cost to use Klaus/…

The cost of ownership for an OpenClaw, and how many credits you'll use, is really hard to estimate since it depends so wildly on what you do. I can give you an openclaw instruction that will burn over $20k worth of credits in a matter of hours. You could also not talk to your claw at all for the entire month, setup no crons / reoccurring activities / webhooks / etc, and get a bill of under $1 for token usage. My usag…

Absolute madman :)

Giving an agent access to AWS is effectively giving it your credit card.

At the max, I would give it ssh access to a Hetzner VM with its own user, capable of running rootles podman containers.

Re: Show HN: Klaus – OpenClaw on a VM, batteries included

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Post by giancarlostoro »

TheDong wrote: post #7
ndnichols wrote: post #5

This sounds awesome and exactly like the easy and safe on-ramp to OpenClaw that I've been looking for! I want to believe. Two questions as a potential user who knows the gist of OpenClaw but has been afraid to try it: 1. I don't understand how the two consumption credits play into the total cost of ownership. E.g. how long will $20 of Orthogonal credits last me? I have no idea what it will actually cost to use Klaus/…

The cost of ownership for an OpenClaw, and how many credits you'll use, is really hard to estimate since it depends so wildly on what you do. I can give you an openclaw instruction that will burn over $20k worth of credits in a matter of hours. You could also not talk to your claw at all for the entire month, setup no crons / reoccurring activities / webhooks / etc, and get a bill of under $1 for token usage. My usag…

Just have to know... What the heck are you building?

Re: Show HN: Klaus – OpenClaw on a VM, batteries included

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Post by haolez »

grim_io wrote: post #14
TheDong wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The cost of ownership for an OpenClaw, and how many credits you'll use, is really hard to estimate since it depends so wildly on what you do. I can give you an openclaw instruction that will burn over $20k worth of credits in a matter of hours. You could also not talk to your claw at all for the entire month, setup no crons / reoccurring activities / webhooks / etc, and get a bill of under $1 for token usage. My usag…

Absolute madman :) Giving an agent access to AWS is effectively giving it your credit card. At the max, I would give it ssh access to a Hetzner VM with its own user, capable of running rootles podman containers.

Not at all. AWS IAM policy is a complex maze, but incredibly powerful. It solves this exact problem very well.

Re: Show HN: Klaus – OpenClaw on a VM, batteries included

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Post by baileywickham »

Myzel394 wrote: post #13

Sounds like a perfect data leak any% speedrun to me... :P

You're right that security is a major risk. Our perspective here is that by defaulting to an EC2 instance, you're in control of what data is at risk. If you connect Google Workspace, you are exposing yourself to some security risk risk there, but tons of users do email through AgentMail which doesn't have access to your personal data. Also no risk of filesystem access/Apple ID access by default.

Re: Show HN: Klaus – OpenClaw on a VM, batteries included

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Post by somewhatrandom9 »

ndnichols wrote: post #5

This sounds awesome and exactly like the easy and safe on-ramp to OpenClaw that I've been looking for! I want to believe. Two questions as a potential user who knows the gist of OpenClaw but has been afraid to try it: 1. I don't understand how the two consumption credits play into the total cost of ownership. E.g. how long will $20 of Orthogonal credits last me? I have no idea what it will actually cost to use Klaus/…

You may want to also look into AWS's OpenClaw offering (I was surprised to see this): https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/introducing-openclaw-on-ama...
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