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Re: Show HN: Xoscript

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Post by [deleted] »

selfsimilar wrote: post #7
dang wrote: post #47

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"The language is intentionally neutral and apolitical, without any stance on social or political issues." I don't applaud or condemn this, but it's strange that it's on the home and history pages. Putting this in a code of conduct document for collaborators might make sense, but on the home page? Maybe I'm the weird one, but for most languages I consider them a tool. So it's like going to the hardware store and seein…

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Re: Show HN: Xoscript

#12

Post by gabordemooij »

gabordemooij wrote: post #10
selfsimilar wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The language is intentionally neutral and apolitical, without any stance on social or political issues." I don't applaud or condemn this, but it's strange that it's on the home and history pages. Putting this in a code of conduct document for collaborators might make sense, but on the home page? Maybe I'm the weird one, but for most languages I consider them a tool. So it's like going to the hardware store and seein…

I was having doubts about this too. But in today's (geo)political climate it might be useful. Otherwise I can always delete it. But you're right, it's just a hammer.

and.. I want to avoid having to add a coc. Can try.

Re: Show HN: Xoscript

#13

Post by pasquinelli »

dang wrote: post #47

[stub for offtopicness] Reminders from https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html : " Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. " " Please don't pick the most provocative thing in an article or post to complain about in the thread. Find something interesting to respond to instead. "

> The language is intentionally neutral and apolitical, without any stance on social or political issues.

does this mean something?

i was very confused by your description of xoscript as typeless. only typeless languages i know of are languages where a variable can only be a word. i assume you mean it's dynamically typed.

every new language that gets on hn gets two criticisms: they don't show code first thing, and they don't start with what problem is being solved by designing a new language. i'm not very interested in those things. i would, however, like to be told what it is in a concise way. you've basically got, if i understand correctly, a smalltalk-like system here, prototype based instead of class based, with dynamically scoped variables, and you're tooling it with server side scripting in mind. that tells me a lot more than code.

as for the what-problem-are-you-solving-by-designing-this-language criticism, if we're honest we can see that every language is either designed as an experiment, "what would a language be like if...?", or it's designed as a matter of personal ergonomics, "i want language X with differences i, j, and k cuz i like it that way." i'm completely fine with that.

Re: Show HN: Xoscript

#14

Post by gabordemooij »

pasquinelli wrote: post #13
dang wrote: post #47

[stub for offtopicness] Reminders from https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html : " Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. " " Please don't pick the most provocative thing in an article or post to complain about in the thread. Find something interesting to respond to instead. "

> The language is intentionally neutral and apolitical, without any stance on social or political issues. does this mean something? i was very confused by your description of xoscript as typeless. only typeless languages i know of are languages where a variable can only be a word. i assume you mean it's dynamically typed. every new language that gets on hn gets two criticisms: they don't show code first thing, and th…

I used PHP, nodejs, Python etc and I just wanted something simpler. I use OpenBSD as my server os and I wanted a scripting language that matches the simplicity (and security) of OpenBSD.

Re: Show HN: Xoscript

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Post by gabordemooij »

gabordemooij wrote: post #14
pasquinelli wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The language is intentionally neutral and apolitical, without any stance on social or political issues. does this mean something? i was very confused by your description of xoscript as typeless. only typeless languages i know of are languages where a variable can only be a word. i assume you mean it's dynamically typed. every new language that gets on hn gets two criticisms: they don't show code first thing, and th…

I used PHP, nodejs, Python etc and I just wanted something simpler. I use OpenBSD as my server os and I wanted a scripting language that matches the simplicity (and security) of OpenBSD.

maybe I'll add support for pledge/unveil (with cgi) as well - what do you think?

Re: Show HN: Xoscript

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Post by jkhall81 »

dang wrote: post #47

[stub for offtopicness] Reminders from https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html : " Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. " " Please don't pick the most provocative thing in an article or post to complain about in the thread. Find something interesting to respond to instead. "

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Re: Show HN: Xoscript

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Post by throw-the-towel »

selfsimilar wrote: post #7
dang wrote: post #47

[stub for offtopicness] Reminders from https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html : " Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. " " Please don't pick the most provocative thing in an article or post to complain about in the thread. Find something interesting to respond to instead. "

"The language is intentionally neutral and apolitical, without any stance on social or political issues." I don't applaud or condemn this, but it's strange that it's on the home and history pages. Putting this in a code of conduct document for collaborators might make sense, but on the home page? Maybe I'm the weird one, but for most languages I consider them a tool. So it's like going to the hardware store and seein…

There's always a loud someone who'll try to force their country's political issue du jour because "everything is political".

Re: Show HN: Xoscript

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Post by gabordemooij »

jkhall81 wrote: post #16
dang wrote: post #47

[stub for offtopicness] Reminders from https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html : " Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. " " Please don't pick the most provocative thing in an article or post to complain about in the thread. Find something interesting to respond to instead. "

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Re: Show HN: Xoscript

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Post by gabordemooij »

throw-the-towel wrote: post #17
selfsimilar wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The language is intentionally neutral and apolitical, without any stance on social or political issues." I don't applaud or condemn this, but it's strange that it's on the home and history pages. Putting this in a code of conduct document for collaborators might make sense, but on the home page? Maybe I'm the weird one, but for most languages I consider them a tool. So it's like going to the hardware store and seein…

There's always a loud someone who'll try to force their country's political issue du jour because "everything is political".

well that's what I want to avoid. What it means is that someone like xlibre-author could create a pr and I will not reject it.

Re: Show HN: Xoscript

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Post by ddtaylor »

Interesting to see, Gabor. I don't like the "stop" thing. I think the verbosity can be tuned down a bit in that case, but I understand the small-talk message passing need for "Out write". Am I allowed to use just write "out" instead of "Out"? I assume case sensitivity, but I couldn't find in the docs anything about it.

I have used RedBeanPHP for many things and contributed a bit. Thank you.

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