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Show HN: Get e-signatures & pay per signed doc
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#12My sugestion is to change the title to " Show HN: SignWith: Get e-signatures & pay per document " or something like that and keep the explanation of the problem only in the description. > That said, we see Google's entry in the signature space as validation. I agree, it's a good new, but very scary.
indeed - scary validation thanks for the suggestions - made the change in the title.
Don’t worry, Google will cancel the service at some point. Just have your marketing campaign and onboarding process ready for those fleeing the sunset Google product
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#13This is a good idea and I'm glad to see it out there, solving a real problem. I used to be a consultant and could've used this.
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#14Kind of tangential, but I'll share a bit of a horror story from a friend when it comes to e-signatures. The company in question uses DocuSign, and most of their clients do as well. They are big, serious companies. However, nobody is able to set up DocuSign in a reasonable way for a multi-client contract. Every company needs to use their own DocuSign. Now, DocuSign embeds a cryptographic signature in the signed PDF. T…
Pdf signatures are a joke and entire wrb e-signature space is snake oil sales. Source: worked for docusign competitor and seen how signing twice works.
We at least did the print to pdf thingy ourserves on the backend to save users from this shame.
Add: you can in fact sign the pdf multiple times with a digital signature, which is an actual feature of PDF format. You can't however add electronic (drawn) signature on top of the digital one without (partially) invalidating previous ones. And to nobody's surprise, you can't see digital signatures if you decide to print the document with it.
So pick your poison.
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#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
I was told by two Swiss lawyers not to ever use DocuSign. Either use paper like before or the eSign service from Swisscom [1] which holds up in court. [1] https://www.swisscom.ch/en/about/news/2023/10/12-sign.mobile...
What makes the Swiss telecom product better other than regulatory capture preferencing domestic products?
Probably its electronic signature vs qualified digital signature. At the very least with swiss telecom they know who is keeping root certs at the end of the chain of trust.
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#16The problem with being in this space is that you need to have the financials to be around for long enough to be useful. For legal documents, that means a 3+ year horizon. Right now, you might work for low-risk (meaning, essentially no risk of contract disputes) short-term gigs for freelancers and consultants, but you're a no-go for businesses of any size, or anyone else that needs a contract signed. You need to demon…
Nobody is in fact disputing their signatures in court.
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#17“the e-signature space” shouldn’t exist. Slapping signatures on pdfs that get emailed to the relevant parties isn’t a legitimate industry, it’s just a small and overblown app that eventually people will self host or bundle for free with an existing document SaaS.
It’s a feature, not a company. It’s definitely not a whole industry.
Re: Show HN: Get e-signatures & pay per signed doc
#18“the e-signature space” shouldn’t exist. Slapping signatures on pdfs that get emailed to the relevant parties isn’t a legitimate industry, it’s just a small and overblown app that eventually people will self host or bundle for free with an existing document SaaS. It’s a feature, not a company. It’s definitely not a whole industry.
The feature is coordination of who to send it to and when, is it's own business, not the part where you slap a picture into the pdf and or generate write-once-read-never digital signature blob into it too.
The actual business here is the promise to keep the logs and the process to ensure you can connect the person who signs the document with the document and time, so in a very unlikely event it is being questioned you can testify that signing by a specific person happened or not. The more certifications you have for the process and the software/infra that implements it, the better you can sell.
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#19I can't see the price per document anywhere on your website
Re: Show HN: Get e-signatures & pay per signed doc
#20The problem with being in this space is that you need to have the financials to be around for long enough to be useful. For legal documents, that means a 3+ year horizon. Right now, you might work for low-risk (meaning, essentially no risk of contract disputes) short-term gigs for freelancers and consultants, but you're a no-go for businesses of any size, or anyone else that needs a contract signed. You need to demon…
Nobody is in fact disputing their signatures in court.
That in fact happens all time time with signatures...
A signature can be used to validate the existence and legitimacy of a contract and the terms contained within a specific version of a contract, so disputes over signatures happen quite frequently. Indeed, DocuSign spent years establishing that their system could be used to authenticate signatures and the documents they were attached to so they could break into the legal market.