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Re: Show HN: htmz – a low power tool for HTML

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Post by vcg3rd »

p4bl0 wrote: post #6
kickofline wrote: post #4

At what point does it cease to be a framework and become just a regular line of code?

From the FAQ: > * Is htmz a library or a framework? > htmz is a snippet.

From the README:

> htmz is a minimalist HTML microframework

So, some ambiguity.

Re: Show HN: htmz – a low power tool for HTML

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Post by beretguy »

Arch-TK wrote: post #9

Given that this uses `target`, doesn't it mean that unlike htmx you can't easily make this gracefully degrade when JS isn't enabled? And, yes, I know, saying "when JS isn't enabled" in 2024 is a bit like saying "when the user is on Mars and has a 10 minute RTT" but forgive me for being an idealist.

I use Disable JavaScript extension with js disabled by default and only enable it if website is broken.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/disable-javas...

Re: Show HN: htmz – a low power tool for HTML

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Post by tambourine_man »

That's a great hack and it shows how close the browser is to offering SPA natively.

Just a few attributes and we could avoid the iframe.

It's probably more useful to prove a point than an actual day to day tool. And the point seems to be: htmx is too much trouble for what it offers. We just need HTML native ajax.

Re: Show HN: htmz – a low power tool for HTML

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Post by troupo »

rnmmrnm wrote: post #10
internet2000 wrote: post #7

Apparently it breaks your back button too.

If you're talking about the tabs demo, I think it's reasonable for some use cases to respect back button as previous tab. as long as it's easy to opt out.

The inline editing demo also has a separate URL for the "we're editing" state

Re: Show HN: htmz – a low power tool for HTML

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Post by [deleted] »

Arch-TK wrote: post #9

Given that this uses `target`, doesn't it mean that unlike htmx you can't easily make this gracefully degrade when JS isn't enabled? And, yes, I know, saying "when JS isn't enabled" in 2024 is a bit like saying "when the user is on Mars and has a 10 minute RTT" but forgive me for being an idealist.

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Re: Show HN: htmz – a low power tool for HTML

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Post by efilife »

beretguy wrote: post #12
Arch-TK wrote: post #9

Given that this uses `target`, doesn't it mean that unlike htmx you can't easily make this gracefully degrade when JS isn't enabled? And, yes, I know, saying "when JS isn't enabled" in 2024 is a bit like saying "when the user is on Mars and has a 10 minute RTT" but forgive me for being an idealist.

I use Disable JavaScript extension with js disabled by default and only enable it if website is broken. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/disable-javas...

You should use uMatrix so you can only enable the scripts necessary to unbreak the site

Re: Show HN: htmz – a low power tool for HTML

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Post by Kalabasa »

Arch-TK wrote: post #9

Given that this uses `target`, doesn't it mean that unlike htmx you can't easily make this gracefully degrade when JS isn't enabled? And, yes, I know, saying "when JS isn't enabled" in 2024 is a bit like saying "when the user is on Mars and has a 10 minute RTT" but forgive me for being an idealist.

Yeah it breaks without JS. You could add the iframe behind JS, so the target would default to a new tab. But the server would still be designed to return HTML fragments. I never found a way for a server to check if the originating request is for an iframe or a new tab. It's not quite a graceful degradation.
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