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Re: Show HN: I made a social network for musicians

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You should re-consider making Facebook your only option for logging in and signing up. http://bijansabet.com/post/16980728547/why-facebook-connect-... And the ensuing discussion, here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3548081

I understand that FB Connect is a turn off for many people (myself included most of the time).

But requiring Facebook makes certain viral features (like sharing with your friends, posting to your wall etc) much more frictionless.

I think there are 3 ways a site can become popular. 1) Through viral channels. 2) Through word-of-mouth. 3) Through marketing/pr.

I'm going for all three. #1 is a lot easier if you require FB Connect.

Re: Show HN: I made a social network for musicians

#12

A quick Google search reveals that pud created Fandalism in 2006 as a site for "uploading and sharing your tunes": http://hemiolesque.blogspot.com/2006/10/fandalism-youtube-fo... Now it's an "invite-only directory of good musicians". Would love to hear your story how you took your time to launch Fandalism :)

In 2006 I had a different site at the same domain.

The old Fandalism ("YouTube for music") was basically exactly what SoundCloud is today.

Except that people starting uploading a lot of copyrighted pirated stuff that I didn't want to deal with (hosting was expensive back then). So I shut it down.

Fandalism today is a completely different site (though I suppose related), but with the same domain. I launched this beta 12 days ago or so.

Re: Show HN: I made a social network for musicians

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post #8

pud, I'm impressed with your product-shipping record. This looks really cool too, I'll be sure to pass it on to all my musician friends.

(i'm not sure if HN etiquette allows me to say "thank you." but i'm worried i'd appear ungrateful if i didn't reply. so - thank you! i am grateful and i hope your musician friends enjoy it.)

Re: Show HN: I made a social network for musicians

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post #12

A quick Google search reveals that pud created Fandalism in 2006 as a site for "uploading and sharing your tunes": http://hemiolesque.blogspot.com/2006/10/fandalism-youtube-fo... Now it's an "invite-only directory of good musicians". Would love to hear your story how you took your time to launch Fandalism :)

In 2006 I had a different site at the same domain. The old Fandalism ("YouTube for music") was basically exactly what SoundCloud is today. Except that people starting uploading a lot of copyrighted pirated stuff that I didn't want to deal with (hosting was expensive back then). So I shut it down. Fandalism today is a completely different site (though I suppose related), but with the same domain. I launched this beta…

Wow. Just 12 days ago?

How did you get people to engage with the site?

Tried looking for inspiration at your Fandalism blog (http://blog.fandalism.com/) but it seems to be password protected now.

Looking forward to learning more from you, pud!

Re: Show HN: I made a social network for musicians

#16

You should re-consider making Facebook your only option for logging in and signing up. http://bijansabet.com/post/16980728547/why-facebook-connect-... And the ensuing discussion, here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3548081

This is a big deal to HN types, but not necessarily to all other demographics on the internet. If he could guesstimate that a large majority of his users were active FB users, the single log-in option may be worth the trade-off

Re: Show HN: I made a social network for musicians

#17
It looked good until I needed to agree to all this before I could actually see how it worked:

* Access my basic information: Includes name, Profile picture, gender, networks, user ID, list of friends and any other information I've made public.

* Access my Profile information: Likes, music, TV, movies, books, quotes, About me, Birthday and Current location

* Send me email

* Post to Facebook as me

* Post status messages, notes, photos and videos on my behalf.

* Access my data any time

* Access my data when I'm not using the application.

WTF? No! Sorry.

Re: Show HN: I made a social network for musicians

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post #17

It looked good until I needed to agree to all this before I could actually see how it worked: * Access my basic information: Includes name, Profile picture, gender, networks, user ID, list of friends and any other information I've made public. * Access my Profile information: Likes, music, TV, movies, books, quotes, About me, Birthday and Current location * Send me email * Post to Facebook as me * Post status message…

I know FB Connect is a deal breaker for lots of HN readers.

From a product standpoint, I decided that requiring FB Connect (for now, at least) is one of the best things I could do to make sharing more frictionless, which will help the site grow hopefully.

Re: Show HN: I made a social network for musicians

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post #18
post #17

It looked good until I needed to agree to all this before I could actually see how it worked: * Access my basic information: Includes name, Profile picture, gender, networks, user ID, list of friends and any other information I've made public. * Access my Profile information: Likes, music, TV, movies, books, quotes, About me, Birthday and Current location * Send me email * Post to Facebook as me * Post status message…

I know FB Connect is a deal breaker for lots of HN readers. From a product standpoint, I decided that requiring FB Connect (for now, at least) is one of the best things I could do to make sharing more frictionless, which will help the site grow hopefully.

For me personally, sharing shouldn't be frictionless (which Facebook have started using as a synonym for 'involuntary'). Sharing should be a conscious decision. I do understand how this is beneficial to both Facebook and Fandalism, and although I don't agree with the concept, it looks like you've built a really great product, and you deserve a good bit of exposure and success. I'll certainly be evaluating it for a while. Great work, sir.

Re: Show HN: I made a social network for musicians

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I'm sorry but I think this is a failure of strategy.

Musicians use social networks to reach existing fans and acquire new ones. Speaking as a musician, ten years ago we were all about Myspace. These days we're on SoundCloud, Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter. We don't use Myspace because nobody else does either. We use YouTube, FB, and Twitter because everybody else does, and we use SoundCloud to share new music with hardcore fans and with each other.

If you're looking to share your music with as many people as possible, you put it on YouTube, not SoundCloud. If you want people to go to a show, you talk about it on Facebook or Twitter, not SoundCloud. If you want to get a label to sign your new track, or you want your hardcore fans to be able to hear your newest music right away, that's when you go to SoundCloud. If you're on SoundCloud, you're either a musician, a hardcore fan, or, more often than not, both.

What I'm basically saying here is that a social network for musicians gets something very fundamental backwards, because of the four social networks musicians use, SoundCloud is the least important, the least promoted, and also the only one which was actually built for us.

I'm not trying to denigrate SoundCloud, it is in fact awesome and incredibly useful, but it's so much more important for a musician to be where the fans are. Also, if your goal is to occupy a smaller niche like SoundCloud does, you're still more likely to succeed building tools which make it easier for a musician to graduate their fans from the "hitting Like on YouTube" level to the "downloading everything on SoundCloud" level.

I think this is kind of like, "I want to make a social network, what's a topic, musicians, ok go." Rock on, it's good to stay focused and keep shipping, but it's better to make stuff people want, and believe me, what musicians want is to be able to make music as much and as often as possible, and that means making money from music, and that means either fans or students.

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