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Show HN: Ello (YC W20) – AI-reading tutor for kids that works with real books

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Re: Show HN: Ello (YC W20) – AI-reading tutor for kids that works with real books

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Am I the only one old enough to remember when a social network called Ello was going to like kill Facebook or something?

It still exists ello.co and I remember the same another FB/MySpace killer that didn't kill anything lol.

We still get some very confused people come to our site every now and then :)

Re: Show HN: Ello (YC W20) – AI-reading tutor for kids that works with real books

#12

I would subscribe but your website doesn't have a clear demo video of a child using the product to read. It looks very interesting and useful though!

Good feedback! Will work on updating the website to show that. Were you wanting to just see the specific interaction of how it works?

You can see a bunch of videos users have uploaded here: https://www.reviews.io/company-reviews/store/ello

(And can also see reviews if you click on product reviews.)

Re: Show HN: Ello (YC W20) – AI-reading tutor for kids that works with real books

#14
I was just telling my wife yesterday that I wanted to try to build this exact product. Seems like you beat me to it!

I think there's a huge opportunity here, and it has a natural growth path to language teaching for adults and eventually (as large language models improve) teaching practically anything. AI tutoring can be personalized for you but optimized in a way that education has never been before with feedback from millions of students, more experience than any human teacher could ever get. Bet I could write your pitch deck.

Looking forward to trying it out with my 4 year old!

Re: Show HN: Ello (YC W20) – AI-reading tutor for kids that works with real books

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This looks pretty cool! A few questions (specifically for early years): - 5 books seems quite limited, especially for early years where shorter books are better. My kid currently reads 1 to 2 'readers' per day at home, outside of school. He not only gets bored reading the same book multiple times, but like most kids he ends up memorising a bunch of it so it's less 'reading' and more 'remembering'. How do you plan to…

- Five is definitely insufficient for some children (and too much for kids who really struggle and want to perfect books). We're working on giving parents the ability to get more; either we ship more, or once you have read the physical books you can unlock digital books. Lots of considerations there of course. We also want you to be able to use books from e.g. the school library. Q for you - for the 1 to 2 readers a day your child reads, where do those books come from? - That's a great one. I haven't had that question before but I could certainly see the challenge there. Let me ask Elizabeth and Lauren (the experts) what they think on that. - It goes one of two ways; both which we're happy with. The first way is the child builds their confidence and doesn't need Ello anymore. Not the best for business but a great outcome :) The other is that the child continues to value the 'safe space' to practice reading, and does it in conjunction with reading elsewhere. - Research pretty strongly shows that the most important skill - to begin with - is decoding (learning the sounds words makes.). Comprehension comes after that. What has been fairly strongly disproven is that context in reading is sufficient (and some would even say helpful) in learning the fundamentals of reading. Having said that, comprehension is a crucial latter part of reading - we're excited for some of the potential for ChatGPT here in allowing us to go beyond basic questions.

Great questions for us to think about as to what would be in the back of parents minds. And Ill get back to you on the second!

Re: Show HN: Ello (YC W20) – AI-reading tutor for kids that works with real books

#16

I was just telling my wife yesterday that I wanted to try to build this exact product. Seems like you beat me to it! I think there's a huge opportunity here, and it has a natural growth path to language teaching for adults and eventually (as large language models improve) teaching practically anything. AI tutoring can be personalized for you but optimized in a way that education has never been before with feedback fr…

If you try it, I'd love your feedback. If youve been thinking about building this yourself I'm sure you'll have some great thoughts on what we've done well and what we could do better with.

Re: Show HN: Ello (YC W20) – AI-reading tutor for kids that works with real books

#17
post #8

This looks pretty cool! A few questions (specifically for early years): - 5 books seems quite limited, especially for early years where shorter books are better. My kid currently reads 1 to 2 'readers' per day at home, outside of school. He not only gets bored reading the same book multiple times, but like most kids he ends up memorising a bunch of it so it's less 'reading' and more 'remembering'. How do you plan to…

- Five is definitely insufficient for some children (and too much for kids who really struggle and want to perfect books). We're working on giving parents the ability to get more; either we ship more, or once you have read the physical books you can unlock digital books. Lots of considerations there of course. We also want you to be able to use books from e.g. the school library. Q for you - for the 1 to 2 readers a…

Thanks for the detailed reply! Great answers and fills me with hope that perhaps Ello will work for us when our second or third starts reading.

We get the readers either from school or the library. Generally there's 1 reader a day from school, and maybe a little support book too. Then we just hire some from the library each week and use them to fill in the gaps, especially on the weekend. We have a wealth of other books, and hire picture books etc. for 'shared reading' times when we read to the kids after dinner etc.

"Comprehension comes after that" - makes total sense. Can see Ello being great at the decoding step, and yeah, some potential in ChatGPT and other new tech to assist more with comprehension.

Look luck mate, hope for you success!

Re: Show HN: Ello (YC W20) – AI-reading tutor for kids that works with real books

#18
Looks great! Are you looking to expand to other languages? When it comes to English is it strict enough? For example my countrymen say "J" without any force when speaking english which is something I wish for my son to not inherit but it has never led to any confusion.

Re: Show HN: Ello (YC W20) – AI-reading tutor for kids that works with real books

#19
I don't want to rain on your parade. I really hope I'm wrong. But I see this as somehow profoundly, deeply dystopian.

On the one hand, AI should be used to alleviate the economic and social conditions that prevent children from having attention and coaching from caring adults.

On the other, raising children by robot seems sketchy to me (in ways that are difficult to articulate.)

Like I said, I hope I'm wrong.

Re: Show HN: Ello (YC W20) – AI-reading tutor for kids that works with real books

#20
This is awesome. Congratulations on the launch. So happy to see that you are going with phonics instead of whole word or other methods. Phonics is absolutely the correct approach. As John McWhorter puts it[0]: "Scientific investigators of how children learn to read have proved repeatedly that phonics works better for more children."

[0]: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/03/opinion/kids-reading-spel...

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