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Show HN: Onin – E2EE calendar and chat app

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Re: Show HN: Onin – E2EE calendar and chat app

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Post by fader »

brod_ie wrote: post #9
fader wrote: post #7

There's not much detail on the page, but from the screenshots I'm guessing this is mobile only? (Guessing iOS only but maybe there just aren't Android screenshots...) Mobile app only systems are a huge pain (literally) for me as due to some wrist issues, typing on a tiny screen instead of an ergonomic keyboard is difficult.

I'm afraid as you guessed it, iOS-only for launch on Jan 10th but we want to get Android and web as quickly as we find product market fit (PMF). This decision is so we can iterate and improve the product based on our users feedback as quickly as possible, the more platforms we support the slower can move. We suspect though we're going to hear this a lot more and PMF for a new calendar service might only be possible w…

There's always the option of building a web app.

If you're iOS only I suspect the chances that you'll build a Linux app to be roughly zero, but web apps work almost anywhere :)

Re: Show HN: Onin – E2EE calendar and chat app

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Post by brod_ie »

n89nanda wrote: post #10

Good concept and congrats on the launch. My feedback is I don't see why I would move my conversations( and convincing all my friends) from existing apps like iMessage, Discord, Slack etc to new app just coz of a calendar feature. Who is the target customer for this service? Discord, Slack and iMessage have many apps that can be used to schedule events. I think it would make more sense if this a SaaS offering where I…

Thank you! We totally agree, behaviour change is hard: no doubt our public beta feature set will appeal best to our core fans but the hooks will get more and more compelling to mainstream consumers as we develop the product.

It's not so much about moving all your conversations to Onin though: it's about using us as your personal and social calendar. We support showing/editing your existing calendar events in-app too so there's zero switching cost to trying us.

With this in mind, we've found this feature set to be very compelling with our non-technical friends and family who are on the private beta.

Sorry for the multiple edits :)

Re: Show HN: Onin – E2EE calendar and chat app

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Post by brainchild-adam »

fader wrote: post #7

There's not much detail on the page, but from the screenshots I'm guessing this is mobile only? (Guessing iOS only but maybe there just aren't Android screenshots...) Mobile app only systems are a huge pain (literally) for me as due to some wrist issues, typing on a tiny screen instead of an ergonomic keyboard is difficult.

Tangent here, and possibly not helpful, but just in case: I use handwriting (Gboard includes this) with a cheap touch pen on my mobile b/c I hate typing on these screens. Works like a charm (in comparison).

Re: Show HN: Onin – E2EE calendar and chat app

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Post by brod_ie »

fader wrote: post #11
brod_ie wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm afraid as you guessed it, iOS-only for launch on Jan 10th but we want to get Android and web as quickly as we find product market fit (PMF). This decision is so we can iterate and improve the product based on our users feedback as quickly as possible, the more platforms we support the slower can move. We suspect though we're going to hear this a lot more and PMF for a new calendar service might only be possible w…

There's always the option of building a web app. If you're iOS only I suspect the chances that you'll build a Linux app to be roughly zero, but web apps work almost anywhere :)

100% agree! We'll get there :)

Re: Show HN: Onin – E2EE calendar and chat app

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Post by andrejguran »

brod_ie wrote: post #6
whatsthatabout wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also I don't get why GitHub is fitting as a hoster? Because of git and the commit history? Definitely not because of their strong believes in privacy as a company owned by microsoft...

Exactly for the commit history: we want to make our legal agreements, and any changes made to them, as transparent as possible, we thought GitHub was the most accessible place to do this

nothing is stopping you to force push into github and no-one will ever know

Re: Show HN: Onin – E2EE calendar and chat app

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Post by brod_ie »

andrejguran wrote: post #15
brod_ie wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly for the commit history: we want to make our legal agreements, and any changes made to them, as transparent as possible, we thought GitHub was the most accessible place to do this

nothing is stopping you to force push into github and no-one will ever know

That's not really the point though: we have to notify our users of any changes to our legal agreements regardless. We are using GitHub to make these changes as transparent as possible. Because of such legal notifications it would be very obvious if such tampering was going on based on the effective dates of the policies. Again, we're being this transparent because we want to do everything we can to protect our users security and privacy.

Re: Show HN: Onin – E2EE calendar and chat app

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Post by brod_ie »

tomjen3 wrote: post #16

First of all, best of luck with your idea and company. Do I understand it correctly that you assume the people I plan with are also using the chat?

In the ideal scenario yes but they don't have to be: you can use Onin as a modern, E2EE personal calendar on your own. We're seeing the most common pattern in the private beta for people to plan on existing chat services and then move the event into Onin once arranged, effectively replacing the legacy email invite system of current calendars. From there the Onin event becomes the destination for the continued planning/chatting/sharing photos etc.
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