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Re: Show HN: Metadocs, kinda like Reddit, but built into every documentation

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This is very neat. One question, would you consider making a version of your service that works like discourse.org? I don’t mean changing the discussion software to match theirs, I mean allowing clients to embed your software in their page. Also, for what it’s worth, if you had plug-in authentication of users you might find some clients in in web3.

Re: Show HN: Metadocs, kinda like Reddit, but built into every documentation

#12
I've dreamed of something like this for a long time.

However, the actual tool is only a tiny part of the problem. The bigger part is moderation and spam.

While this is niche that's not a big deal, but it's also nothing like reddit in that case.

What if it does take of? How will you handle spam/astroturfing/hate/illegal comments?

Re: Show HN: Metadocs, kinda like Reddit, but built into every documentation

#13
I've dreamed of something like this for a long time.

However, the actual tool is only a tiny part of the problem. The bigger part is moderation and spam.

While this is niche with a tiny user base that's not a big deal.

But, what if it does take of? How will you handle spam/astroturfing/hate/illegal comments?

Re: Show HN: Metadocs, kinda like Reddit, but built into every documentation

#15
post #4

There was a cool link curator service called StumbleUpon. You click a button, and it takes you to a random interesting web page. One of my favorite things about this is you can comment on these pages as well. It was fun to see other peoples reactions to random pages, flash videos, memes, art, essay, etc. Eventually I realized that you can click the 'discussion' button even on pages that StumbleUpon didn't bring me to…

I too remember StumbleUpon fondly. Now I feel like it's a way to get people to go to questionable sites, but back then it was a lot of fun. > Rarely did I see trolling or off topic comments(Ie politics). I wonder if this is due to the format or strictly because of the time?

It wasn't completely randomized though if I recall, people used to submit sites to it and would tag it in different categories and then when you signed up you would select your interests and then it would choose things from the possible options.

Re: Show HN: Metadocs, kinda like Reddit, but built into every documentation

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post #4

There was a cool link curator service called StumbleUpon. You click a button, and it takes you to a random interesting web page. One of my favorite things about this is you can comment on these pages as well. It was fun to see other peoples reactions to random pages, flash videos, memes, art, essay, etc. Eventually I realized that you can click the 'discussion' button even on pages that StumbleUpon didn't bring me to…

Yeah immediately thought of StumbleUpon.

Incidentally, this is one of several things I've thought FF should have integrated into the browser to differentiate themselves and maybe retain or, if you can imagine it, grow their userbase. It'd be an outstanding core of a distributed social network, if they wanted to take it that direction, and a decade or so ago FF was uniquely positioned to make such a thing happen by integrating it directly with the browser so the best way to experience it was in FF. These days, I'm not sure they've got enough users left to make such a play, but they did at one time.

Re: Show HN: Metadocs, kinda like Reddit, but built into every documentation

#18

I've dreamed of something like this for a long time. However, the actual tool is only a tiny part of the problem. The bigger part is moderation and spam. While this is niche that's not a big deal, but it's also nothing like reddit in that case. What if it does take of? How will you handle spam/astroturfing/hate/illegal comments?

Lots of problems to be solved yet. Moderating 10 comments / day is very different from moderating 10k/day which in turn is different from millions a day.

I'll initially start by moderating comments myself, (need to create a policy first) and see what to do from there.

Re: Show HN: Metadocs, kinda like Reddit, but built into every documentation

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post #14

which problem are you trying to solve?

It's hard to articulate the problem like that.

So I was going through a documentation of an ORM library for another project of mine, and it was kinda poorly written. And I didn't feel like going through the effort required to go to another website and ask questions there. I thought I wish I could ask questions right here.

So I took that feeling and turned it into something tangible.

Re: Show HN: Metadocs, kinda like Reddit, but built into every documentation

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post #8
post #4

There was a cool link curator service called StumbleUpon. You click a button, and it takes you to a random interesting web page. One of my favorite things about this is you can comment on these pages as well. It was fun to see other peoples reactions to random pages, flash videos, memes, art, essay, etc. Eventually I realized that you can click the 'discussion' button even on pages that StumbleUpon didn't bring me to…

Yeah, cold start and moderation are two problems I need to solve. I'm focusing on documentation pages at first hoping to build a commpunity that is helpful. Like pointing out pitfalls and better solutions to existing problems. Also I used to be a stumbleupon user too. I don't remember the discuss feature, but I remember using it to find hidden gems of the web.

I'm not an expert of any kind, but I'm going to give my unasked-for advice anyways. 1. Paid moderation as the main solution probably isn't feasible. Even if you can find a way to monetize your project without annihilating your userbase, the amount of text will outpace the manpower you can afford. 2. Moderating is a crap job and there are never enough volunteers. Because there are never enough volunteers, you will feel forced to accept subpar volunteers and tolerate ones with annoying proclivities. The solution to these problems is the same - you need to make the manpower you have go further (cover more text). First, minimize the need for moderation. That's a difficult task when your entire project is user-submitted text, but if you can prevent people from creating multiple accounts and ban or suspend people who generate disproportionate amounts of moderation, it'll help. Second, you need good moderation tools. Don't be reddit, where moderators rely on third-party tools and bots to manage their community. You need to provide good tools to detect things that need moderation and not bother humans for things that don't. The more you can force-multiply your paid and volunteer moderators, the better you'll do.

p.s. I could ramble about moderation for a while. I'm in favor of suspending rather than banning users in most cases, and I've been toying with an idea that suspensions could be based on the amount of content and crap someone generates. You want content, and you want to keep the level of crap in that content low enough your moderation can keep up with it. If someone generates a lot of content and a little crap, you can just remove the crap and only give them a small suspension. If the proportion of crap to content someone generates is over whatever threshold you think is manageable for your platform, give them increasing-duration suspensions so they're generating less content and less crap - keeping your sitewide crap threshold down. If their crap-to-content ratio goes back below the threshold, or your sitewide crap load has gone down, you can start cutting down the duration on the suspensions. An algorithm could surely be devised for this and then you just set a 'crap threshold' platform wide and moderators don't have to do anything other than remove a post and the suspension is automatically applied. There are exceptions, of course. Illegal content? Removal and warning if it's not too serious - ban if they do it a second time. Removal and ban if it's serious. Harassing other users? Ban. Crap of a type that will drive away your userbase? Warning, ban. You could probably devise a more strict algorithm for this, but when it comes to people who make a community worse by being there, being lenient with them is something you're doing for their benefit, not yours. Whether you choose to be lenient is up to you, but if you get it wrong they'll drive away the people who generate content and you'll be left with people who generate crap.

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