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Re: Show HN: AutoAI – A framework to find the best performing AI/ML model

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Post by ledell »

sanketsarang wrote: post #4
akspar wrote: post #3

I noticed a variety of AutoML solutions in the market addressing similiar pain points. How is this different from other solutions/platforms.... Isn't this a saturated space?

Thanks for your question. Yes, we did research the space a lot before making AutoAI. Here is what we found: PyCaret : Semi-automatic. You do the first run; then you figure the next set of runs. Ensemble models require manual configuration. Tpot : Does a great job. Generates 4-5 lines of py code too. But does not support Neural Networks / DNN. So works only for problems where GOFAI works. H2O.ai : They have an open-so…

Your list excludes most of well-known open-source AutoML tools such as auto-sklearn, AutoGluon, LightAutoML, MLJarSupervised, etc. These tools have been very extensively benchmarked by the OpenML AutoML Benchmark (https://github.com/openml/automlbenchmark) and have papers published, so they are pretty well-known to the AutoML community.

Regarding H2O.ai: Frankly, you don't seem to understand H2O.ai's AutoML offerings.

I'm the creator of H2O AutoML, which is open source, and there's no "enterprise version" of H2O AutoML. The interface is simple -- all you need to specify is the training data and target. We have included DNNs in our set of models since the first release of the tool in 2017. Read more here: https://docs.h2o.ai/h2o/latest-stable/h2o-docs/automl.html We also offer full explainability for our models: https://docs.h2o.ai/h2o/latest-stable/h2o-docs/explain.html

H2O.ai develops another AutoML tool called Driverless AI, which is proprietary. You might be conflating the two. Neither of these tools need to be used on the H2O AI Cloud. Both tools pre-date our cloud by many years and can be used on a user's own laptop/server very easily.

Your Features & Roadmap list in the README indicates that your tool does not yet offer DNNs, so either you should update your post here or update your README if it's incorrect: https://github.com/blobcity/autoai/blob/main/README.md#featu...

Lastly, I thought I would mention that there's already an AutoML tool called "AutoAI" by IBM. Generally, it's not a good idea to have name collisions in a small space like the AutoML community. https://www.ibm.com/support/producthub/icpdata/docs/content/...

Re: Show HN: AutoAI – A framework to find the best performing AI/ML model

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Post by Avalaxy »

sanketsarang wrote: post #7
Avalaxy wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AzureML and its AutoML are not unaffordable. It's literally a free service. You only pay for any compute you may consume, and for that you only pay the bare VM price. But you don't have to, you can also use your local compute for training.

That is not true actually. You must purchase an Azure VM for training a model. Deploying trained models on your own infrastructure is permitted. Reasonably speaking we would have to call this an enterprise solution, as there is no way to get a trained model without paying Azure fees. Most models will require GPU, and it is not like we can run AzureML on the free GPU offered by Google Colab.

?

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/machine-learning/conc...

Not sure where you get your information from. It says it right here, you can use "local computer" for training your model, and that includes AutoML. There is no cost to using Azure ML.

Re: Show HN: AutoAI – A framework to find the best performing AI/ML model

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Post by pal_ankit »

ledell wrote: post #11
sanketsarang wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for your question. Yes, we did research the space a lot before making AutoAI. Here is what we found: PyCaret : Semi-automatic. You do the first run; then you figure the next set of runs. Ensemble models require manual configuration. Tpot : Does a great job. Generates 4-5 lines of py code too. But does not support Neural Networks / DNN. So works only for problems where GOFAI works. H2O.ai : They have an open-so…

Your list excludes most of well-known open-source AutoML tools such as auto-sklearn, AutoGluon, LightAutoML, MLJarSupervised, etc. These tools have been very extensively benchmarked by the OpenML AutoML Benchmark ( https://github.com/openml/automlbenchmark ) and have papers published, so they are pretty well-known to the AutoML community. Regarding H2O.ai: Frankly, you don't seem to understand H2O.ai's AutoML offerin…

Thank you for the feedback Ledell. And congratulations to you on the latest $ 100 million fund raise. Really great to see the space growing.

Re: Show HN: AutoAI – A framework to find the best performing AI/ML model

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Post by sanketsarang »

Avalaxy wrote: post #13
sanketsarang wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is not true actually. You must purchase an Azure VM for training a model. Deploying trained models on your own infrastructure is permitted. Reasonably speaking we would have to call this an enterprise solution, as there is no way to get a trained model without paying Azure fees. Most models will require GPU, and it is not like we can run AzureML on the free GPU offered by Google Colab.

? https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/machine-learning/conc... Not sure where you get your information from. It says it right here, you can use "local computer" for training your model, and that includes AutoML. There is no cost to using Azure ML.

So what we understand from our study is the following:

1. You must have an Azure account with an API key for using their AutoML. An AutoML environment won't get created without a valid key. Both local and cloud runs mandate this.

2. Getting an Azure account requires a credit card on file and comes with a limited-time free trial. This is a big NO NO when it comes to software claimed to be for free use.

3. The free for life services do not call out AutoML anywhere. They do not claim the AutoML environment (a required step) to be free in any form. Check this: https://azure.microsoft.com/en-gb/free/

4. When they say "local" what are they referring to? Run locally on an Azure Notebook, or can I run this locally on my laptop? We have tried and failed ever to get this to run locally on a laptop. So it is not clear whether this is even possible, or the term "local" is misleading.

Have you managed to run Azure ML locally on a laptop, without requiring a connected Azure account?

Yes, if we run the AutoML from our laptop, it uses the API key to create a cloud instance. The data gets uploaded to the cloud and runs on the cloud. Results are thrown back to the local code. We would not call this a local run.

The question is, have you managed actually to use your computer's local resources for training? If so, please do share how this was possible. We would like to know how this was achieved.

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