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Re: Show HN: An app that helps engineers fight back against pointless meetings

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It's pretty crazy how expensive a simple sprint planning meeting really is if you have 5+ engineers.

What this clock does not compute, is how much money you leave on the table by reducing your meeting count/time and have your engineers/workers dive straight into the problem without talking enough to each other or with the stakeholders beforehand.

Sometimes it leads the death of many man-month projects, or worse.

Re: Show HN: An app that helps engineers fight back against pointless meetings

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Good luck. There are some people in organizations whose entire job is to schedule and attend meetings.

No matter how you say it to those kinds of people, expressing that meetings are keeping you from getting engineer-related work done will be viewed extremely negatively.

I’ve been in IT decades and still don’t know what the best answer is.

Re: Show HN: An app that helps engineers fight back against pointless meetings

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post #11
post #2

It's pretty crazy how expensive a simple sprint planning meeting really is if you have 5+ engineers.

What this clock does not compute, is how much money you leave on the table by reducing your meeting count/time and have your engineers/workers dive straight into the problem without talking enough to each other or with the stakeholders beforehand. Sometimes it leads the death of many man-month projects, or worse.

If the requirements are weak. These meetings try to shore up weak requirements. If the requirements are strong these meetings are not important and wasteful.

Re: Show HN: An app that helps engineers fight back against pointless meetings

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Technical solutions to social problems don't usually work, why would this be different?

I don't see this as a technical solution to a social problem. I see this as a technical tool to help with a social solution to a social problem. Specifically, finding a way to communicate the opportunity cost of a meeting, which is a social solution to the social problem, because I don't need this app to do it, but it could help.

> finding a way to communicate the opportunity cost of a meeting ... I don't need this app to do it, but it could help.

The terminal UI is one thing. From my personal experience, displaying the running cost of meetings in my Zoom camera would always be a bad idea. It's an optional feature of this program so it doesn't detract away from the entire idea, just saying that from my experience, managers already know that meetings cost money so displaying the cost of the meeting is pointless, you need to instead argue why your manager is wrong that the cost of the meeting is worth it.

Re: Show HN: An app that helps engineers fight back against pointless meetings

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Technical solutions to social problems don't usually work, why would this be different?

You're not wrong, but middle management purposefully ignores cost of time so that they can provide a sense of false value to companies by running meetings. While I understand that meetings do offer a sort of corporate therapy for many of these managers, the company should be aware of the true cost of their work.

Re: Show HN: An app that helps engineers fight back against pointless meetings

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see this as a technical solution to a social problem. I see this as a technical tool to help with a social solution to a social problem. Specifically, finding a way to communicate the opportunity cost of a meeting, which is a social solution to the social problem, because I don't need this app to do it, but it could help.

> finding a way to communicate the opportunity cost of a meeting ... I don't need this app to do it, but it could help. The terminal UI is one thing. From my personal experience, displaying the running cost of meetings in my Zoom camera would always be a bad idea. It's an optional feature of this program so it doesn't detract away from the entire idea, just saying that from my experience, managers already know that m…

Oh, I agree, I think it comes off as passive aggressive and wouldn't use it. But I also still don't see it as a technical solution to a social problem, which is what we see with the way certain tech giants are trying to handle content moderation.

I just ask up front whether we can accomplish the same thing without a meeting, and if we can, I just say no to the meeting. If I'm actually necessary, then it'll get done one way or another without the meeting. If I'm not, then it's most likely not my battle to fight. (Substitute "We" for "I" if I'm the manager or a mentor or tech lead or something.)

Re: Show HN: An app that helps engineers fight back against pointless meetings

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post #12

Good luck. There are some people in organizations whose entire job is to schedule and attend meetings. No matter how you say it to those kinds of people, expressing that meetings are keeping you from getting engineer-related work done will be viewed extremely negatively. I’ve been in IT decades and still don’t know what the best answer is.

Fire those people.
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