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Re: Show HN: Create image mosaics with Polyfoto

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Post by CyberDildonics » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 1:48 PM UTC

alok-g wrote: post #10

CyberDildonics wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Patents are about processes and if you read this patent it is very specific. Your link even mentions that there have been multiple programs that do this for a long time.

Patents are not only about processes, they can also cover the final product amongst other aspects. The patent in question also does the same [1], as visible via claims 14, 29, 46, 51, whereas the claim 1 is about the "method". Reading the claim #1 of the said patent, I do not find it "very specific" as you said. It is quite broad within the purposes of making a mosaic image. One way of avoiding infringing claim 1 is…

The original person said that 'patents prevented photomosaics'.

Also matching by root mean squared error is pretty specific. It is possible to match based on other error criteria.

Re: Show HN: Create image mosaics with Polyfoto

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Post by alok-g » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 3:29 PM UTC

CyberDildonics wrote: post #11

alok-g wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Patents are not only about processes, they can also cover the final product amongst other aspects. The patent in question also does the same [1], as visible via claims 14, 29, 46, 51, whereas the claim 1 is about the "method". Reading the claim #1 of the said patent, I do not find it "very specific" as you said. It is quite broad within the purposes of making a mosaic image. One way of avoiding infringing claim 1 is…

The original person said that 'patents prevented photomosaics'. Also matching by root mean squared error is pretty specific. It is possible to match based on other error criteria.

>> The original person said that 'patents prevented photomosaics'.

I see your point now, although I do not see the original person (@tomcam) explicitly saying 'patents prevented photomosaics'. I only see "Fun to see it commoditized like this." [1]

>> Also matching by root mean squared error is pretty specific. It is possible to match based on other error criteria.

The applicability of the said patent [2] is not limited to use of RMS error. I do not see "root mean square" anywehere in Claim 1 or any independent claim of the patent. That is introduced only in dependent claims like claim 3.

In case you do not already, you may consider reading [3-5] below to understand how coverage of a patent depends on independent and dependent claims.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27532662

[2] https://worldwide.espacenet.com/patent/search/family/0267124...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_application#Claims

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_claim

[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_claim#Basic_types_and_c...

Re: Show HN: Create image mosaics with Polyfoto

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Post by CyberDildonics » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 6:16 PM UTC

alok-g wrote: post #12

CyberDildonics wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The original person said that 'patents prevented photomosaics'. Also matching by root mean squared error is pretty specific. It is possible to match based on other error criteria.

>> The original person said that 'patents prevented photomosaics'. I see your point now, although I do not see the original person (@tomcam) explicitly saying 'patents prevented photomosaics'. I only see "Fun to see it commoditized like this." [1] >> Also matching by root mean squared error is pretty specific. It is possible to match based on other error criteria. The applicability of the said patent [2] is not limit…

It's literally the text from the page you linked

"A mosaic image is formed from a database of source images. More particularly, the source images are analyzed, selected and organized to produce the mosaic image. A target image is divided into tile regions, each of which is compared with individual source image portions to determine the best available matching source image by computing red, green and blue channel root-mean square error. The mosaic image is formed by positioning the respective best-matching source images at the respective tile regions."

Re: Show HN: Create image mosaics with Polyfoto

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Post by alok-g » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 6:41 PM UTC

CyberDildonics wrote: post #13

alok-g wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> The original person said that 'patents prevented photomosaics'. I see your point now, although I do not see the original person (@tomcam) explicitly saying 'patents prevented photomosaics'. I only see "Fun to see it commoditized like this." [1] >> Also matching by root mean squared error is pretty specific. It is possible to match based on other error criteria. The applicability of the said patent [2] is not limit…

It's literally the text from the page you linked "A mosaic image is formed from a database of source images. More particularly, the source images are analyzed, selected and organized to produce the mosaic image. A target image is divided into tile regions, each of which is compared with individual source image portions to determine the best available matching source image by computing red, green and blue channel root…

I think you took that from the abstract. The abstract, description, or title, of a patent do not determine what a parent covers or not! That is determined by the claims of a patent. The abstract/description/title play a relatively insignificant legal role, these do come in only in some indirect ways.

Please take a look at the claims I have cited in this comment chain, and also read about the importance and relevance of the claims from the links I recommended.

When reading a patent to understand what it covers or not, it's recommended to start with the independent claims.

Hope this helps. :-)

Re: Show HN: Create image mosaics with Polyfoto

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Post by CyberDildonics » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 7:35 PM UTC

alok-g wrote: post #14

CyberDildonics wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's literally the text from the page you linked "A mosaic image is formed from a database of source images. More particularly, the source images are analyzed, selected and organized to produce the mosaic image. A target image is divided into tile regions, each of which is compared with individual source image portions to determine the best available matching source image by computing red, green and blue channel root…

I think you took that from the abstract. The abstract, description, or title, of a patent do not determine what a parent covers or not! That is determined by the claims of a patent. The abstract/description/title play a relatively insignificant legal role, these do come in only in some indirect ways. Please take a look at the claims I have cited in this comment chain, and also read about the importance and relevance…

Which claim specifically do you think makes it impossible for someone else to make a photomosaic?

Please read carefully to realize that there were multiple commercial software programs that did this over 20 years ago.