Okay, I want my time back. How do I cash out?
You stored one day in 2013, now you can take 500 days off your job and live off that profit instead.
Show HN: Comparison of Bitcoin, USD, Gold and Silver as a Store of Time
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Re: Show HN: Comparison of Bitcoin, USD, Gold and Silver as a Store of Time
#12This graph says Bitcoin is up something like 500x since 2013. That isn't a store of time, it is a speculative return. Gold, silver & the US dollar all did pretty much what they are advertised and expected to do (go flat, flat and steady down in value respectively). Nobody knows what Bitcoin is going to do next. What Bitcoin does has nothing to do with storage. Obviously we'd all rather have had Bitcoin from 2013 to 2…
Every position is more or less speculative. This is why "asset management" is a thing. Nobody knows what gold or fiat is going to do next either: - Fiat can be advertised in whichever way but ultimately there is no guarantee things will behave the same as it's centrally planned. The pandemic triggered unprecedented action from the money printer. - Producing more efficient ways of mining gold, discovering new reserves…
Since 2013, the price of Bitcoin has increased 600 fold.
Neither the global money supply nor inflation has increased by 600 fold. No other asset class has had a 600 fold increase in this environment either. Not equities, not gold, not commodities.
Yes, every position is more or less speculative, but BTC is pricing in tremendous future potential that needs to be realized to justify the price.
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#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
Every position is more or less speculative. This is why "asset management" is a thing. Nobody knows what gold or fiat is going to do next either: - Fiat can be advertised in whichever way but ultimately there is no guarantee things will behave the same as it's centrally planned. The pandemic triggered unprecedented action from the money printer. - Producing more efficient ways of mining gold, discovering new reserves…
Nobody knows what anything is going to do for sure, but that doesn't mean we know nothing. Things that go way way up quickly tend not to be stable. Shit can change, but the probability of gold massively changing in value is much less than bitcoin taking a massive swing.
Valid point. I wouldn't say large swings is necessarily an indication of failure though. It is expected for Bitcoin to swing wildly because in contrast to gold, it's very accessible and in this age information is quick and erratic.
Re: Show HN: Comparison of Bitcoin, USD, Gold and Silver as a Store of Time
#14This graph says Bitcoin is up something like 500x since 2013. That isn't a store of time, it is a speculative return. Gold, silver & the US dollar all did pretty much what they are advertised and expected to do (go flat, flat and steady down in value respectively). Nobody knows what Bitcoin is going to do next. What Bitcoin does has nothing to do with storage. Obviously we'd all rather have had Bitcoin from 2013 to 2…
A PoW coin with forever fixed block reward is a store of mining time. In a coin with a 1 minute blocktime and 60 coin block subsidy, each coin represents exactly one second of mining.
Re: Show HN: Comparison of Bitcoin, USD, Gold and Silver as a Store of Time
#15if data only supports your priors, is it useful?
Re: Show HN: Comparison of Bitcoin, USD, Gold and Silver as a Store of Time
#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
Every position is more or less speculative. This is why "asset management" is a thing. Nobody knows what gold or fiat is going to do next either: - Fiat can be advertised in whichever way but ultimately there is no guarantee things will behave the same as it's centrally planned. The pandemic triggered unprecedented action from the money printer. - Producing more efficient ways of mining gold, discovering new reserves…
Since 2013, the price of Bitcoin has increased 600 fold. Neither the global money supply nor inflation has increased by 600 fold. No other asset class has had a 600 fold increase in this environment either. Not equities, not gold, not commodities. Yes, every position is more or less speculative, but BTC is pricing in tremendous future potential that needs to be realized to justify the price.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Bitcoin is the best performing asset in the last 10 years yes, and there are clear reasons as to why.
It's the store of value component of Gold and it can perform that role in a much better way. If we took that property alone, it should realize a market value of around $7T.
Shouldn't it be more of a credit to the invention rather than a failure?
Re: Show HN: Comparison of Bitcoin, USD, Gold and Silver as a Store of Time
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
Since 2013, the price of Bitcoin has increased 600 fold. Neither the global money supply nor inflation has increased by 600 fold. No other asset class has had a 600 fold increase in this environment either. Not equities, not gold, not commodities. Yes, every position is more or less speculative, but BTC is pricing in tremendous future potential that needs to be realized to justify the price.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Bitcoin is the best performing asset in the last 10 years yes, and there are clear reasons as to why. It's the store of value component of Gold and it can perform that role in a much better way. If we took that property alone, it should realize a market value of around $7T. Shouldn't it be more of a credit to the invention rather than a failure?
What I'm saying that it's the best performing aspect precisely because the degree of speculation is astronomical as opposed to the degree of fiat printing.
Mind you I don't think speculation is a bad word. Here are some speculative bets that are in the price right now:
- It will be adopted as the global reserve currency - No other crypto currency will replace it - It will replace gold - It will not be restricted by governments - The price will never stop going higher in the long run - Lighting network will appear - More corporations will add it to their balance sheet - A mature, reliable financial system will develop around BTC - Mt Gox won't happen again - Old coin holders can't dump into the market - The chain can't be attacked - The current leverage in BTC isn't a problem - BTC lending is currently safe - There will never be a run on BTC
Given how much speculation plays a role in the value, these are all fuses that if ever lit could cause significant down movements.
Note I'm not predicting any of these things. I'm just saying that 600x holds a lot of future promise that if unrealized will be painful in the short term.
Gold, having been around for millenia, does not have this issue. The market is mature, well understood, and well regulated.
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#18Gold and silver is suppressed and manipulated with fractional reserve banking, Btc is immune to this.. so far at least now.
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#19Re: Show HN: Comparison of Bitcoin, USD, Gold and Silver as a Store of Time
#20This graph says Bitcoin is up something like 500x since 2013. That isn't a store of time, it is a speculative return. Gold, silver & the US dollar all did pretty much what they are advertised and expected to do (go flat, flat and steady down in value respectively). Nobody knows what Bitcoin is going to do next. What Bitcoin does has nothing to do with storage. Obviously we'd all rather have had Bitcoin from 2013 to 2…
A PoW coin with forever fixed block reward is a store of mining time. In a coin with a 1 minute blocktime and 60 coin block subsidy, each coin represents exactly one second of mining.
that is Gold' s monetary policy,mined infinitely.But seems scarce than Gold.