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Re: Show HN: Noact – React-like Virtual DOM library in 70 lines of TypeScript

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Post by jharger »

scrollaway wrote: post #8
dsukhin wrote: post #3

The idea of React is good - declarative, stateful, reusable components, etc. While the bloat of React and it's toolchain (and npm plugins) has become a mess. When you have 2^100 different plugin combos to do something, you have 2^100 imperfect solutions and no experts in any of them, rather than one elegant and simple standard that can be optimized. This repo is great proof that React is over engineered. Vanilla JS h…

These are react's dependencies: https://www.npmjs.com/package/react This repo is proof of nothing and I'm tired of reading those knee-jerk takes. You can't say "react's toolchain is a mess" and "prove" it with a repo that has zero toolchain, no JSX, etc. It's a bit saying "vlc is so bloated!" to someone showcasing "a video player in 30 lines of QML" with no play/pause button. Not to detract from the rest of your post…

It could be that this sort of thinking contributes to the massive number of JS frameworks out there. You think React is bloated, so you make a "React in 70 lines" ... realize there's some things you missed... fast forward to two years later and you've got another framework.

Re: Show HN: Noact – React-like Virtual DOM library in 70 lines of TypeScript

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Post by blackoil »

What in the JS ecosystem promotes such posts and up-votes them to first page? These 50line / 100x faster micro frameworks 'never' reach 1% in core functionality and aren't usable beyond building 10 lines of demo app.

I don't see similar posts for Java/.Net/Go ecosystem. Spring in 500 lines or 100x faster ASP.net!!

Re: Show HN: Noact – React-like Virtual DOM library in 70 lines of TypeScript

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Post by yboris »

jiofih wrote: post #2

The wheels on the bus go round and round To the author: check out Mercury (2014), Hyperapp (2017), Choo (2018)

Mercury - https://github.com/Raynos/mercury

Hyperapp - https://github.com/jorgebucaran/hyperapp

Choo - https://github.com/choojs/choo

Re: Show HN: Noact – React-like Virtual DOM library in 70 lines of TypeScript

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Post by hellofunk »

blackoil wrote: post #13

What in the JS ecosystem promotes such posts and up-votes them to first page? These 50line / 100x faster micro frameworks 'never' reach 1% in core functionality and aren't usable beyond building 10 lines of demo app. I don't see similar posts for Java/.Net/Go ecosystem. Spring in 500 lines or 100x faster ASP.net!!

It’s because there’s a very big difference between the state of the JavaScript ecosystem and the ecosystem for nearly any other language you can mention. And for a very large percentage of the development community worldwide, the JavaScript ecosystem is not something that anyone enjoys. That’s why it gets upvoted.

Re: Show HN: Noact – React-like Virtual DOM library in 70 lines of TypeScript

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Post by quickthrower2 »

sefrost wrote: post #9
dsukhin wrote: post #3

The idea of React is good - declarative, stateful, reusable components, etc. While the bloat of React and it's toolchain (and npm plugins) has become a mess. When you have 2^100 different plugin combos to do something, you have 2^100 imperfect solutions and no experts in any of them, rather than one elegant and simple standard that can be optimized. This repo is great proof that React is over engineered. Vanilla JS h…

If you use Create React App[1] then you don't have to think about the toolchain. I do sometimes wonder what the people complaining about npm packages and the React ecosystem/build process are developing? It would be interesting to hear. I've shipped complex web applications built using Create React App without needing to "eject", and without installing dozens of packages from npm. [1] https://create-react-app.dev

I bet you’ll be thinking about the toolchain under this leaky abstraction before long, when the first thing inevitably doesn’t work as expected and you are googling for a solution.

Re: Show HN: Noact – React-like Virtual DOM library in 70 lines of TypeScript

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Post by dvtkrlbs »

scrollaway wrote: post #8
dsukhin wrote: post #3

The idea of React is good - declarative, stateful, reusable components, etc. While the bloat of React and it's toolchain (and npm plugins) has become a mess. When you have 2^100 different plugin combos to do something, you have 2^100 imperfect solutions and no experts in any of them, rather than one elegant and simple standard that can be optimized. This repo is great proof that React is over engineered. Vanilla JS h…

These are react's dependencies: https://www.npmjs.com/package/react This repo is proof of nothing and I'm tired of reading those knee-jerk takes. You can't say "react's toolchain is a mess" and "prove" it with a repo that has zero toolchain, no JSX, etc. It's a bit saying "vlc is so bloated!" to someone showcasing "a video player in 30 lines of QML" with no play/pause button. Not to detract from the rest of your post…

This is not the whole story though react is kinda useless without its tools. A fair argument would be if create-react-app had so little dependencies. But i agree with you react itself is not bloated but in general the whole webtooling is.

Re: Show HN: Noact – React-like Virtual DOM library in 70 lines of TypeScript

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Post by slifin »

It's weird how in the JS community rewrites of react are common in the CLJS community using React as a runtime is more common:

  - https://reagent-project.github.io/
  - https://github.com/day8/re-frame
  - https://github.com/tonsky/rum
And my favourite - https://github.com/fulcrologic/fulcro

Hosting your work on top of another ecosystem, such that you can still use the underlying ecosystem, gives you a lot of leverage out the gate

Re: Show HN: Noact – React-like Virtual DOM library in 70 lines of TypeScript

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Post by scrollaway »

dvtkrlbs wrote: post #18
scrollaway wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are react's dependencies: https://www.npmjs.com/package/react This repo is proof of nothing and I'm tired of reading those knee-jerk takes. You can't say "react's toolchain is a mess" and "prove" it with a repo that has zero toolchain, no JSX, etc. It's a bit saying "vlc is so bloated!" to someone showcasing "a video player in 30 lines of QML" with no play/pause button. Not to detract from the rest of your post…

This is not the whole story though react is kinda useless without its tools. A fair argument would be if create-react-app had so little dependencies. But i agree with you react itself is not bloated but in general the whole webtooling is.

If react is useless without its tools then what is this submission for in the first place?
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