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Re: Show HN: Bob – A GUI for DNS Record Management and Name Auctions on Handshake

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So another random coin that isn't actually going to solve anything because it's just being thrown at a problem randomly like blockchain always is. Nice.

DNS tlds as they exist today are in centralized control by ICANN, a California public benefit corporation. Recently, activity originating from ICANN including removing price caps on .org [1] and the .org billion dollar sale [2] have brought the community to alarm [3]. SSL certificates can be issued by any of the CAs. Multiple CAs can issue SSL certificates for the same namespace. This has led to some activity that ha…

Even if we stipulate to all of these points, why would anyone believe that the sponsors of this protocol are entitled to profit from it? See, for instance, Handshake.org's discussion of the "10 million dollar grant" it offers to FOSS developers.

Re: Show HN: Bob – A GUI for DNS Record Management and Name Auctions on Handshake

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

DNS tlds as they exist today are in centralized control by ICANN, a California public benefit corporation. Recently, activity originating from ICANN including removing price caps on .org [1] and the .org billion dollar sale [2] have brought the community to alarm [3]. SSL certificates can be issued by any of the CAs. Multiple CAs can issue SSL certificates for the same namespace. This has led to some activity that ha…

Even if we stipulate to all of these points, why would anyone believe that the sponsors of this protocol are entitled to profit from it? See, for instance, Handshake.org's discussion of the "10 million dollar grant" it offers to FOSS developers.

Great question. The design notes paper [1] does an excellent job explaining this:

## Financial Contributors and Pricing - 7.5%

A total of $10,200,00 USD have been allocated to purchasers to price the initial value of the coins for 7.5% of the total supply, with a total valuation of the initial coin supply at $136,000,000.

100% of the dollars raised are being given to non-profits and FOSS projects, and FOSS communities such as hackerspaces. This is effectively a one-way non-destructive "proof-of-burn" on the dollar side to price the coins.

The role of coin purchasers is critical as an initial stakeholder in the growth of the project. The purchasers have been curated to maximize effective change by primarily allocating funds to Venture Capitalists and Token Funds with specialty in the cryptocurrency and decentralized internet ecosystem. Many of these purchasers have been effective in disrupting entire industries and have been involved in large-scale growth of internet services (some even across generations).

The existence of these participants are necessary and fundamental in pricing the tokens, as the distribution event requires real value to be established (a sale of 1% of total initial supply is not credible in pricing the tokens). Additionally, the sale has occurred as close to launch/announcement as possible.

Other projects replicating this mechanism may require greater capital to fund development and/or greater claim to the Pre-Launch Development allocation. This may result in not having a one-way "proof-of-burn", and instead use the capital to fund development of the project.

The role of pricing the coins for distribution is necessary as the coins need to have understood value during the distribution process. While it would ostensibly be ideal to spin-up projects and deploy blockchains without this mechanism, there may be insufficient coordination and ex-ante expectations of value. The role of the high-reputation Venture Capital provides a tastemaker function which provides a signal and Schelling Point for potentially economically and socially valuable projects. These entities are a significant stakeholder in the current ecosystem and a continuing game for project selection and curation may persist as a result ("putting your money where your mouth is"). [1]

[1] https://handshake.org/files/handshake.txt

Re: Show HN: Bob – A GUI for DNS Record Management and Name Auctions on Handshake

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

DNS tlds as they exist today are in centralized control by ICANN, a California public benefit corporation. Recently, activity originating from ICANN including removing price caps on .org [1] and the .org billion dollar sale [2] have brought the community to alarm [3]. SSL certificates can be issued by any of the CAs. Multiple CAs can issue SSL certificates for the same namespace. This has led to some activity that ha…

Even if we stipulate to all of these points, why would anyone believe that the sponsors of this protocol are entitled to profit from it? See, for instance, Handshake.org's discussion of the "10 million dollar grant" it offers to FOSS developers.

If the chain benefits people, the sponsors are likely to profit. Early in the life of any public protocol, there will be some discovery process while word gets out and early use cases are tested: for public blockchains, that process includes price discovery.

I don't think that means the sponsors of the protocol are entitled to profit: they also took risk by putting up initial capital. The downside is capped in that if the project doesn't go anywhere and the coin goes to 0, FOSS projects that received $10.6mm benefitted.

Re: Show HN: Bob – A GUI for DNS Record Management and Name Auctions on Handshake

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So another random coin that isn't actually going to solve anything because it's just being thrown at a problem randomly like blockchain always is. Nice.

No no, this one is not an ICO, it's a privately funded currency that was given away for free to anyone who had a popular account on Github!

In addition, the $10.2mm that was raised was all donated to non-profits and open-source projects. I.e. fsf https://www.fsf.org/news/free-software-foundation-receives-1...

Re: Show HN: Bob – A GUI for DNS Record Management and Name Auctions on Handshake

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How cool! Sorry to ask an unrelated question: I saw something about how people shouldn't perform airdrop claims on Handshake mainnet yet because transfers are still disabled, is that still true?

Yep! Once transfers are enabled in ~6 hours (https://hnsxplorer.com/) you'll be able to claim, but not before then. This tool can help you claim your coins easily https://namebase.io/airdrop (currently worth ~$2000 at market price but imo it's better to actually play around with them and hold rather than sell everything immediately).

Re: Show HN: Bob – A GUI for DNS Record Management and Name Auctions on Handshake

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Can someone ELI5 on what this is? What are Name Auctions on Handshake?

This faq answers some basic questions https://namebase.io/faq along with this tutorial https://www.namebase.io/blog/tutorial-1-what-is-handshake-an...

Re: Show HN: Bob – A GUI for DNS Record Management and Name Auctions on Handshake

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Even if we stipulate to all of these points, why would anyone believe that the sponsors of this protocol are entitled to profit from it? See, for instance, Handshake.org's discussion of the "10 million dollar grant" it offers to FOSS developers.

Great question. The design notes paper [1] does an excellent job explaining this: ## Financial Contributors and Pricing - 7.5% A total of $10,200,00 USD have been allocated to purchasers to price the initial value of the coins for 7.5% of the total supply, with a total valuation of the initial coin supply at $136,000,000. 100% of the dollars raised are being given to non-profits and FOSS projects, and FOSS communitie…

Can you explain this in a simpler way? I find the words confusing [1] and incompatible [2][3]. For example:

[1] > "The role of the high-reputation Venture Capital provides a tastemaker function which provides a signal and Schelling Point"

[2] > "100% of the dollars raised are being given to non-profits and FOSS projects"

[3] > "by primarily allocating funds to Venture Capitalists"

Re: Show HN: Bob – A GUI for DNS Record Management and Name Auctions on Handshake

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if we stipulate to all of these points, why would anyone believe that the sponsors of this protocol are entitled to profit from it? See, for instance, Handshake.org's discussion of the "10 million dollar grant" it offers to FOSS developers.

Great question. The design notes paper [1] does an excellent job explaining this: ## Financial Contributors and Pricing - 7.5% A total of $10,200,00 USD have been allocated to purchasers to price the initial value of the coins for 7.5% of the total supply, with a total valuation of the initial coin supply at $136,000,000. 100% of the dollars raised are being given to non-profits and FOSS projects, and FOSS communitie…

> I find the words confusing [1] and incompatible [2][3].

1 - for Handshake, VCs are 'used' primarily as a signal to price the coins - like in Bitcoin, the asset having a price helps on many dimensions, for example, security (miners mine it).

2 - in Handshake, unlike most VC projects and startups - the capital raised was not used to pay salaries or enrich the developers building it - development was funded by other means. This is what is meant by "one-way non-destructive 'proof-of-burn'" -> in fact, it's not really a burn but a generative action since funds were donated to FOSS projects that put the capital to use!

That's why 1 and 2 are not incompatible.

Re: Show HN: Bob – A GUI for DNS Record Management and Name Auctions on Handshake

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Can someone ELI5 on what this is? What are Name Auctions on Handshake?

The ELI5 is that this is more PR astroturfing by the Handshake team, like the four or five other links they have posted to HN over the past two days. After only a few hours the bulk of the comments are by people close to the project telling everyone else how it will solve all problems and provide digital ponies for everyone...

Re: Show HN: Bob – A GUI for DNS Record Management and Name Auctions on Handshake

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No no, this one is not an ICO, it's a privately funded currency that was given away for free to anyone who had a popular account on Github!

In addition, the $10.2mm that was raised was all donated to non-profits and open-source projects. I.e. fsf https://www.fsf.org/news/free-software-foundation-receives-1...

Why?
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