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Re: Show HN: Made this with my daughter to help kids ages 2 to 4 learn logic

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Post by doctorOb »

paggle wrote: post #9

Kids of 2 to 4 shouldn’t be using screens.

My friend has worked in a number of different pre-school facilities throughout Boston and most of them had a carved out screen based activity (usually tablets) for at least part of the day. I'm sure the science is still out but in practice it seems ubiquitous.

Re: Show HN: Made this with my daughter to help kids ages 2 to 4 learn logic

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Post by stakhanov »

So, I am older than 4 and have a PhD in a logic-related field. BUT. I have to admit that I had trouble answering some of those questions. For example: "How many blue cats are not bouncing" when there are no blue cats on the screen. The game seems to assume that the right answer is zero, but I'm not sure I concur. There is a presupposition there about blue cats being in existence and if there are none on screen, the result is that, regarding blue cats, we don't have the required information to answer it. Better phrase it "How many cats are there on screen that are blue and bouncing?".

Re: Show HN: Made this with my daughter to help kids ages 2 to 4 learn logic

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Post by SkyPuncher »

stakhanov wrote: post #12

So, I am older than 4 and have a PhD in a logic-related field. BUT. I have to admit that I had trouble answering some of those questions. For example: "How many blue cats are not bouncing" when there are no blue cats on the screen. The game seems to assume that the right answer is zero, but I'm not sure I concur. There is a presupposition there about blue cats being in existence and if there are none on screen, the r…

While I understand your argument, I think there's value in the ambiguity.

1. Clarifying ambiguity and extrapolating are important logic skills.

2. "How many blue cats are not bouncing" is how people actually talk.

Re: Show HN: Made this with my daughter to help kids ages 2 to 4 learn logic

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Post by colechristensen »

turtlebits wrote: post #13

Controversial opinion, but I don't think kids ages 2 to 4 should be having screen time, let alone an activity that is better presented with real objects.

Why?

Many people have these "screen time" opinions. I'm not saying I disagree, but why do you think zero screen time is the correct amount?

Re: Show HN: Made this with my daughter to help kids ages 2 to 4 learn logic

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Post by tom_mellior »

I think the digits should be arranged 0 to 9, not 1 to 9 followed by 0. Because 0 is less than 1.

Also, when the correct answer is revealed, it would be great to somehow highlight the cats that are actually described by the formula. Yes, this is hard for 0.

Also, the animations feel too fast to me. I find they make the whole thing stressful, somehow.

ALSO, when a wrong answer is given, the question disappears! That's terrible UX.

EDIT: I should add that I think the idea is great! But some details of the implementation could be improved.

Re: Show HN: Made this with my daughter to help kids ages 2 to 4 learn logic

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Post by jecxjo »

tlarkworthy wrote: post #8

Can ur kids read numbers?

My two year old can read numbers up to 10. It takes a little while to go from the symbol to the amount but generally speaking she can do it. It's typically around 2 where you can start to learn letters and numbers and basic counting.

Re: Show HN: Made this with my daughter to help kids ages 2 to 4 learn logic

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Post by Ancient »

SkyPuncher wrote: post #14
stakhanov wrote: post #12

So, I am older than 4 and have a PhD in a logic-related field. BUT. I have to admit that I had trouble answering some of those questions. For example: "How many blue cats are not bouncing" when there are no blue cats on the screen. The game seems to assume that the right answer is zero, but I'm not sure I concur. There is a presupposition there about blue cats being in existence and if there are none on screen, the r…

While I understand your argument, I think there's value in the ambiguity. 1. Clarifying ambiguity and extrapolating are important logic skills. 2. "How many blue cats are not bouncing" is how people actually talk.

I concur.

Re: Show HN: Made this with my daughter to help kids ages 2 to 4 learn logic

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Post by NeedMoreTea »

colechristensen wrote: post #15
turtlebits wrote: post #13

Controversial opinion, but I don't think kids ages 2 to 4 should be having screen time, let alone an activity that is better presented with real objects.

Why? Many people have these "screen time" opinions. I'm not saying I disagree, but why do you think zero screen time is the correct amount?

2 to 4 is still early in the development of physical attributes, focus, hand eye coordination, balance and what have you. Zero intentional and structured screen time seems entirely appropriate. Let them develop a physical world and interact with it before encouraging screen addicted couch potato. That will come despite best efforts later...

Re: Show HN: Made this with my daughter to help kids ages 2 to 4 learn logic

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Post by cbames89 »

turtlebits wrote: post #13

Controversial opinion, but I don't think kids ages 2 to 4 should be having screen time, let alone an activity that is better presented with real objects.

John Medina in Brain Rules for Baby[0] suggests I think, a practical framework for kids screen time that is informed by research. It boils down to minimize screen time where the screen is stepping in as the babysitter. Instead, try to make it co-viewing where you and your child watch together. Then you can reference it later or discuss any points they find confusing or scary. Avoid violent content, because the kids are sponge mirrors. They soak everything up and then act it out later. I've seen this play out with my kids, we watched avatar the last Airbender (the cartoon) and they were benders for weeks afterward. I also watched Elf recently and shortly after the scene where Buddy gets yelled at my toddler was repeating the same phrases at a younger sibling.

[0]http://www.brainrules.net/brain-rules-for-baby

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