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Re: Show HN: Crowdsourced freelance contract template, written in plain language

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I've seen this idea done a couple of times and it seems like the major problem with it is that while it probably works for small clients and impromptu projects, any client with a legal team is going to either reject it, or redline in so much legalese that the contract doesn't win you anything because you'll need legal review anyways.

I do most of our first-round contract review (we almost always end up getting things reviewed but once in awhile you get lucky and can accept a contract without it) and snags I've hit that this contract seems likely to hit:

* Doesn't establish independent contractor relationship

* Asks for no pre-approval on expenses

* Non-mutual indemnification

* The contract as written is assignable, so you can sign it and immediately sell the contract to someone else

There's probably a reason why Confidentiality agreements in normal contracts are a page long rather than just two sentences, too, but I don't know what that is.

I love that it's just a Google Doc though.

Re: Show HN: Crowdsourced freelance contract template, written in plain language

#12
Just worth noteing this looks specific to the US freelance/contract market.

I can only speak for the jurisdiction I know (and I am not a lawyer, just a former freelancer), but in the UK this contract would not be suitable for someone wishing to operate outside of IR35 (disguised employment rules) as it makes no mention of substitution, direction or control, which are the key factors when determining IR35 status.

Not necessarily a failing of the project, but perhaps it could mention more explicitly that it's for US jurisdiction

(For UK freelancers I recommend looking at IPSE membership which includes access to their contract templates which are good and commonly accepted as standard contracts)

Re: Show HN: Crowdsourced freelance contract template, written in plain language

#13
A few comments from my first quick skim, in appearance order.

If you need a good contract, don't be a dufus. Hire a lawyer who will ask questions and stand professionally accountable to you. I am doing neither here.

GitHub Link: GitHub can be good, but you really, really have to use Markdown, one paragraph per line, or at least another supported prose format, to get much collaborative benefit. You want good prose and word diffs.

Instructions: Listing out the blank placeholders first, with instructions to find-and-replace, is a neat approach. It pays to think about how form contracts will get handled.

Preamble: There's no need to spell out party names there, though it's traditional. If their info appears on the signature page, it's clear who's entering the contract. DRY.

Payment: I'm not quite sure which rate structure you have in mind, but it looks like an "x% up front" kind of thing, where the up-front payment is nonrefundable, and the balance is due on completion.

Expenses: I routinely advise clients to strike language authorizing contractors to incur and pass through whatever expenses they like. Reimbursement's usually limited to expenses set out in the contract/SOW, expenses preapproved by the client in writing, and possibly expenses below a threshold amount each, and an aggregate. On the latter think: "I'll reimburse you for expenses below $20 without approving first, but don't not more than $100 worth."

Invoices: Lawyers write additional payment obligations for late payment as interest, in order to avoid, first, courts reading the terms as penalties rather than agreed estimates of the damage late payment would cause, and therefore unenforceable, and second, to avoid usury laws that limit rates of interest.

I would be very surprised to learn that most contracts on this form actually complete on the scheduled invoice date. When contracts specify payment on completion, it usually goes: 1) contractor sends deliverables, 2) client accepts, or a deadline to accept or reject comes and goes, 3) contractor bills. Acceptance deadlines can be short. Depends on the work and the client.

Revisions: A fallback hourly rate can be a very good idea, depending on the work. Those interested should have a look at the form packet AIGA published for design contractors. I could improve on specific language in that packet, but its substantive coverage is good for many solo and small-studio designers I know.

Ownership: I would definitely advise being more explicit. In general, copyrights move from authors to clients in two ways: assignment and "work made for hire". Since not all copyrighted work can be "work made for hire", it's a good idea to spell out the mechanisms by which everything goes over. Also, beware of California work made for hire statutes tying to employee status:

https://writing.kemitchell.com/2018/05/31/California-Work-Ma...

That being said, under our new California ABC test, I'm not sure who isn't arguably an employee. But I digress.

And that's just copyrights. Clients want patents covered, too.

Authorship: I would rename this "Portfolio Use" or similar, and also make it more explicit. Again, I believe AIGA covers this.

Confidentiality and Nondisclosure: Either "Confidentiality" or "Nondisclosure" would suffice. I'm all for short, pithy NDAs. But I don't think this is a very good one. A marking requirement gives a lot of clarity, but very few companies actually do that. NDA obligations typically don't survive perpetually.

I'd put a term in saying that the client and contractor will sign an NDA on a separate, standard form. Plug: https://nda.cantingtribe.com.

Non-Solicitation: Stated too broadly. And probably unnecessary, for freelancers working for companies.

Representations: The rep included is common, but also kind of pointless. What happens if the side signing doesn't have authority to contract?

The key reps in freelance design, software, and other creative contracts cover IP. Specifically, that's where contractors typically guarantee that they aren't plagiarizing others' work, or including outside material they haven't the rights to license.

Term and Termination: Seven days is short, but termination at will is common. It's not clear how to calculate fees pro rata, given the x% up-front payment. If the client terminates the freelancer because they're terrible, does the client have to pay them more money? Only if they're >x% into the scheduled length of the contract?

Limitation of Liability: As I mentioned about reps above, deliverables usually do come with explicit reps. However, the terms usually disclaim reps not in the contract itself, like reps implied by law, by default. Damages cap at fees paid is typical.

Indemnity: The Client indemnifies the Contractor for the Contractor's work??? Typically, Contractor would indemnify Client, for damages related to breach of IP reps and employee reclassification, and perhaps others. Client might indemnify Contractor for providing materials for use in deliverables that create IP or other issues.

I have not commented on terms that I think this form is missing. Cost-benefit of including more terms to head off more kinds of potential issues differs by contractor and client, and definitely tends shorter for smaller parties and smaller dollar amounts. But this feels a bit lean to me, for just about anybody.

Re: Show HN: Crowdsourced freelance contract template, written in plain language

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post #11

I've seen this idea done a couple of times and it seems like the major problem with it is that while it probably works for small clients and impromptu projects, any client with a legal team is going to either reject it, or redline in so much legalese that the contract doesn't win you anything because you'll need legal review anyways. I do most of our first-round contract review (we almost always end up getting things…

Penny for your thoughts?

http://commonform.org/kemitchell/fairshake/current

Re: Show HN: Crowdsourced freelance contract template, written in plain language

#16
post #11

I've seen this idea done a couple of times and it seems like the major problem with it is that while it probably works for small clients and impromptu projects, any client with a legal team is going to either reject it, or redline in so much legalese that the contract doesn't win you anything because you'll need legal review anyways. I do most of our first-round contract review (we almost always end up getting things…

Penny for your thoughts? http://commonform.org/kemitchell/fairshake/current

Looks more like a standard contracting contract. I don't see why the "stop work" thing is required. I also don't know why a contractor would give up no-competing-clients; in fact, we'd be a hard "no" on that even if the client proposed it to us. I think clients will generally push back on an unlimited right to subcontract, too.

Just to be clear: not a lawyer! Just a consultant who deals with a lot of contracts in his job.

Re: Show HN: Crowdsourced freelance contract template, written in plain language

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post #7
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Section 2.1 is much too weak and will give the hiring company problems if they were undergoing diligence for an equity round. Please consult any IP lawyer if you doubt me. I'm honestly not doubting you, I just don't understand, not being really versed in legalese. What's that "diligence for an equity round" thing? How is "you own all the things" too weak legally speaking?

As I read it, it isn’t explicit enough about what rights you are signing over. This leaves it open to a court fight over what ‘everything’ means in the context of the document.

And with a section that defines what "the work" refers to? That has to be specified anyway. Wouldn't that sufficiently disambiguate the scope?

Re: Show HN: Crowdsourced freelance contract template, written in plain language

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Penny for your thoughts? http://commonform.org/kemitchell/fairshake/current

Looks more like a standard contracting contract. I don't see why the "stop work" thing is required. I also don't know why a contractor would give up no-competing-clients; in fact, we'd be a hard "no" on that even if the client proposed it to us. I think clients will generally push back on an unlimited right to subcontract, too. Just to be clear: not a lawyer! Just a consultant who deals with a lot of contracts in his…

Thanks for great comments!

The Stopping Work section wasn't meant to give contractors the right to stop. If the client materially breaches the contract by not paying, they can get out of their own obligations. I added Stopping Work mostly because it comes up a lot, so it's nice to have terms in the contract, rather than background law, to point to. But also so I'd have a place for the deadline-postponement and fees-keep-adding-up terms. Those don't go without saying.

I hear you on Conflicts. There's no escape valve in the section for contractors who do often work for competing interests. I might look into adding a mechanism there, so the contractor can write in the names of competing clients for preclearance, that gets signed as part of the contract.

Your toint on subcontracting is well taken, but note that Personnel allows statements of work to override the contractor's ability to use employees and contractors at will. When folks use the form as individual contractors, or when clients use it to hire specific people at firms or studios, the SOW can specify a named individual, and prohibit subcontracting.

Re: Show HN: Crowdsourced freelance contract template, written in plain language

#20
What I don't get. And I suppose I am speaking here for 99% of all developers without a background in law.

How can it be so difficult to create a contract framework? How can there possibly so many variations on that theme that you need a lawyer to do that?

I do understand that there are circumstances where legal advice is necessary. But at least 90% of all freelance (and other) contracts should be coverable with a manageable number of if-else-conditions.

Also the question whether the framework is applicable should be answerable through a couple of if-elses.

I can't wrap my head around it.

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