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Re: Show HN: Key Values – Find engineering teams that share your values

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I'm quite sad that I can't seem to find "Puts ethical considerations first" as one of the values. Possibly "Puts customers first", but that seems more like "drives value" or some other money oriented buzzword.

That's an interesting value and I will definitely consider adding it! In some ways, this describes companies that are B-Corps/PBC but I agree, it's not perfect.

It's going to be difficult because there's no real ethical "Standard" in the space that I know of.

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Seems like this list of "values" takes one side exclusively, without offering a counter-option. I would like to see an IQ > EQ option, for example.

This is relevant because otherwise companies can just claim they have all of the above.

Re: Show HN: Key Values – Find engineering teams that share your values

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post #10

Not sure how much you can consider Work/Life balance a key value when you expect people to work 50 hour weeks ( https://www.keyvalues.io/kite ). Not to say that 50 hours is awful, there's certainly a lot worse out there, but I'd say it's enough to disqualify that as a 'key value'.

Any company that expects more than 40 hours a week should be automatically disqualified from picking 'work life balance' imo.

Re: Show HN: Key Values – Find engineering teams that share your values

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's an interesting value and I will definitely consider adding it! In some ways, this describes companies that are B-Corps/PBC but I agree, it's not perfect.

It's going to be difficult because there's no real ethical "Standard" in the space that I know of.

I think that's okay actually. I see profiles to be like an interview with say, an engineering manager or current team members. We ask questions, they answer, and we decide how strong or convincing that answer is.

Re: Show HN: Key Values – Find engineering teams that share your values

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post #10

Not sure how much you can consider Work/Life balance a key value when you expect people to work 50 hour weeks ( https://www.keyvalues.io/kite ). Not to say that 50 hours is awful, there's certainly a lot worse out there, but I'd say it's enough to disqualify that as a 'key value'.

I agree that any company that asks for more than 40 hours should not be allowed to have the work/life balance key value. The profile says that the company eats dinner together and people go home at 8pm. That sounds pretty work centric and not much time for life left after that.

Re: Show HN: Key Values – Find engineering teams that share your values

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post #16

Cool idea! I would love to see some more opinionated product-oriented values, eg large js frameworks vs minimal client side code, tracking vs privacy, etc.

I second this. Additionally, would be interesting to also see these vectors on public policy issues. While DACA might have little variation, differentiation may come from issues affecting work forces and tech policy (subsidies, public programs, etc.)

see this recent article Aligns with this recent article. https://www.fastcompany.com/40420834/the-non-paradox-of-high...

Re: Show HN: Key Values – Find engineering teams that share your values

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post #7

Hello! Lynne here, the creator of Key Values. I’m an indie hacker, and I've spent the last few months putting this together. I interviewed dozens of engineers to come up with a list of values: things we care about most when evaluating new opportunities. I then worked with engineering teams (which you see listed on Key Values) to identify the 8 values that best describe their engineering team and culture. I’m working…

I like the idea, but there are some important values missing from the list:

   1. Principle over loyalty.
   2. Empower individuals over institutions.
   3. Self-restraint over greed.
   4. Decisions based on reason, not ego.
   5. Give back to Open Source.
Thanks.

Re: Show HN: Key Values – Find engineering teams that share your values

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what also might be useful is to have reviews from former employees, and see how well they line up with what the team said.

I've worked on a few teams that claimed these "values" (or practices) but when the rubber hit the road, what they said and what they did didn't match up.

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