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Re: Show HN: Bezie – Virtual MIDI controller for complex automation

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Do you have plans to support automating MIDI notes or some sort of notes transformations, or is it out of the scope of this tool?

MIDI notes are definitely out of scope for Bezie - I've had a couple of ideas, but they all make sense as separate utilities.

Re: Show HN: Bezie – Virtual MIDI controller for complex automation

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It looks very solid, but it in my opinion it has to be very impressive to persuade me to use a third party tool instead of the automation tools that are integrated with my DAW. I'm not trying to degrade your product, which, again, looks great, but you just targeted an area that is handled quite well in most DAWs already. Have you considered turning this into a mobile app? Having this run on an iPad next to my keyboar…

Now that's an idea I like. Somehow be able to have the virtual midi as an app on my IPad that can sync over wifi or even with the IPad plugged into my mac book. Be able to control the envelope automation, or other automations, with touch. OP, have you looked at BitWig's midi controller API? I wonder if something could be done with that. I use BitWig.

Both TouchOSC and Lemur already exist and do this over Wi-Fi. I believe Lemur allows for XY parameter control but I'm not sure if it offers curves. (TouchOSC is more limited.)

Re: Show HN: Bezie – Virtual MIDI controller for complex automation

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I'll give this a good workout later today. I'm a music tech teacher and use Cubase, and this fills one of the biggest holes in Cubase to my mind - bezier-type automation and the tools available for creating and manipulating that data. It looks good, but as others have mentioned, using a third-party app for this can be a little obtrusive in terms of workflow (I know there's no way round this for you, so it's not a criticism, more a statement of the unavoidable).

I've lost count of the number of times I've had to create an automation 'curve' using points to approximate a curve (particularly for filter cutoff frequency for fairly obvious reasons), so if I can find a way to integrate this well enough to make it work for me during sessions then it will be hugely appreciated. FWIW I'll give it a review on my (tiny) YT channel.

The sad thing about this is that these kind of facilities have been asked for for -years- by users of Cubase, and they haven't made it in to the feature set, despite the clear advantages they would give in creativity. I'm not a programmer (IANAP?), so I'm not sure how many man-years went into creating this, but surely it's not beyond the ken of people who have created something like Cubase to do this, or is it that there's something lurking in the code already that makes it much more difficult to do than if you do it from scratch? (Is this technical debt? I see the term sometimes)

Re: Show HN: Bezie – Virtual MIDI controller for complex automation

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I'll give this a good workout later today. I'm a music tech teacher and use Cubase, and this fills one of the biggest holes in Cubase to my mind - bezier-type automation and the tools available for creating and manipulating that data. It looks good, but as others have mentioned, using a third-party app for this can be a little obtrusive in terms of workflow (I know there's no way round this for you, so it's not a cri…

Yeah - Bezie definitely didn't take years! It's interesting that basic curves don't exist in some DAWs. My guess is that the codebase is monolithic and there's probably lots of legacy code that is hard to touch. Hopefully Bezie works out for you and thanks so much for the review!

Re: Show HN: Bezie – Virtual MIDI controller for complex automation

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It looks cool, Nice little app. As a Reason user, I particularly like that it does everything through midi rather than VST. I agree with the point about notes: it would be quite neat to see this overlaid on a note lane. Still, adding new features is always easy to suggest. Well done on getting this far. I can't promise to buy (I'll have to have more of a think of a use case for me) but I hope you get some custom.

Pedantic nerd point: your beziers are not beziers days, are they? Looks like Catmull-Rom - they'll that doesn't quite make such a good brand-name.

Re: Show HN: Bezie – Virtual MIDI controller for complex automation

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No support for note alteration? Not useful for complex automation where precise pitch variance upwards of two full octaves is needed, then, drat.

There will be more control to select specific MIDI channels per envelope in the next release, pitch bend being one of them.

Re: Show HN: Bezie – Virtual MIDI controller for complex automation

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It looks cool, Nice little app. As a Reason user, I particularly like that it does everything through midi rather than VST. I agree with the point about notes: it would be quite neat to see this overlaid on a note lane. Still, adding new features is always easy to suggest. Well done on getting this far. I can't promise to buy (I'll have to have more of a think of a use case for me) but I hope you get some custom. Ped…

I followed De Casteljau's algorithm, not Catmull-Rom. The control points that you drag are at t=0.5 for quadratic and t=0.25 and t=0.75 for cubic beziers. De Casteljau's algorithm gave me a bit more flexibility to validate and constrain the automation curves. Thanks for the feedback!
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