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Show HN: Kizina – Self-Executing, Interactive Music Album Technology

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Re: Show HN: Kizina – Self-Executing, Interactive Music Album Technology

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Post by skrebbel »

The demoscene has a rich tradition of executable music albums, badly termed "musicdisks", with various levels of visualizations and interactivity. This stuff has been going on for decades so I'm not sure about that "world's first" nomer. But musicdisks are cool, and so is this one! Consider adding it to pouet.net :-)

Here's a selection of a bit over 3000 musicdisks. http://www.pouet.net/prodlist.php?type%5B0%5D=musicdisk&page...

Many in there are pretty cool!

Some personal favourites are Kooitriplex by the Serbian art group Kosmoplivci (made back when Flash was cool, please cut them some slack): http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=10734 and anything by YM Rockerz, who can do any style of music on an Atari ST: http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=56810

Re: Show HN: Kizina – Self-Executing, Interactive Music Album Technology

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Post by userbinator »

skrebbel wrote: post #11

The demoscene has a rich tradition of executable music albums, badly termed "musicdisks", with various levels of visualizations and interactivity. This stuff has been going on for decades so I'm not sure about that "world's first" nomer. But musicdisks are cool, and so is this one! Consider adding it to pouet.net :-) Here's a selection of a bit over 3000 musicdisks. http://www.pouet.net/prodlist.php?type%5B0%5D=music…

I saw "world's first" in the title, immediately thought of demoscene musicdisks, and was expecting something about the real "world's first" musicdisk...

Then again, the demoscene isn't really well-known amongst the general public so I'm not surprised someone else reinvents the same idea.

Re: Show HN: Kizina – Self-Executing, Interactive Music Album Technology

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Post by caseymarquis »

As someone who hadn't heard about the demoscene, it still doesn't seem that ground breaking. Basically sounds like an online game centered around music. Making a hackable mmo that does just that would be pretty cool. Still neat though!

As a side note, I'd like to disrupt the use of the word disrupt.

Re: Show HN: Kizina – Self-Executing, Interactive Music Album Technology

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Post by gravypod »

notahacker wrote: post #7
welder wrote: post #4

This is a great way to prevent people from hearing your music... nobody wants to trust your "Album" app to not contain a virus.

Why would an application that was a music album be any more likely to be a virus than any other piece of software? I'd have thought the bigger obstacle to people hearing your music is that people tend to prefer to listen to music in their music player of choice, in their own playlists or on shuffle. Then again, maybe creative control over how the songs that compose the album are listened to is part of the app's raiso…

> Why would an application that was a music album be any more likely to be a virus than any other piece of software?

That's not the concern here. How many applications do you have installed? Maybe 10-20 things for the average user. That's pushing it really now as most things are in browser.

Now given that, how many music albums do you own? 10, 20, 30? It's not uncommon to see people who have in the 100s (at least in college).

If you need to install something for every one of those albums that's a much harder space to audit then 1 music player.

Re: Show HN: Kizina – Self-Executing, Interactive Music Album Technology

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Post by pmontra »

I sympathize with the experiment but if one of the goals is to provide

> Albums that just aren't files rotting away on a CD, or DVD,

This is going to rot as an Android app instead, probably much faster than any CD or DVD. How long is the author planning to maintain the app?

Re: Show HN: Kizina – Self-Executing, Interactive Music Album Technology

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Post by Kip9000 »

notahacker wrote: post #7
welder wrote: post #4

This is a great way to prevent people from hearing your music... nobody wants to trust your "Album" app to not contain a virus.

Why would an application that was a music album be any more likely to be a virus than any other piece of software? I'd have thought the bigger obstacle to people hearing your music is that people tend to prefer to listen to music in their music player of choice, in their own playlists or on shuffle. Then again, maybe creative control over how the songs that compose the album are listened to is part of the app's raiso…

Well, that's what Mr.Robot taught us

Re: Show HN: Kizina – Self-Executing, Interactive Music Album Technology

#18

Post by jarmitage »

From the README:

"I have already tried SoundCloud, I have created a website, I have uploaded lyrics to Genius, and have even had some traction talking to the good nerds at HN. But, as a tinkerer, I still wasn't satisfied. This album is by essence a big challenge to the status quo..."

I can see how you might think you've created a "world's first" if your concept of music distribution is SoundCloud, websites and Genius. But I think you would very much enjoy learning how wrong you are in this case, since there is a huge world of generative / procedural / computer / algorithmic waiting for you. Here are some random points of interest:

- RjDj, 2008, iOS App, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RjDj - various founders and employees of RjDj can be found at: https://enzienaudio.com/ http://reactifymusic.com/ http://www.mogees.co.uk/ http://hearapp.io/

- Some books: Sonic Interaction Design https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/sonic-interaction-design, The Sonification Handbook (free!) http://sonification.de/handbook/, Designing Sound (look for the author's procedural audio lectures on YT) https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/designing-sound

- http://toplap.org - lots of free software projects for making live music and visuals with code (plus loads of artists in this community have been releasing interactive music for decades ;)

Re: Show HN: Kizina – Self-Executing, Interactive Music Album Technology

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Post by notahacker »

gravypod wrote: post #15
notahacker wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would an application that was a music album be any more likely to be a virus than any other piece of software? I'd have thought the bigger obstacle to people hearing your music is that people tend to prefer to listen to music in their music player of choice, in their own playlists or on shuffle. Then again, maybe creative control over how the songs that compose the album are listened to is part of the app's raiso…

> Why would an application that was a music album be any more likely to be a virus than any other piece of software? That's not the concern here. How many applications do you have installed? Maybe 10-20 things for the average user. That's pushing it really now as most things are in browser. Now given that, how many music albums do you own? 10, 20, 30? It's not uncommon to see people who have in the 100s (at least in…

I don't think it's unusual for people to have more apps than music albums installed on a particular device, and people that audit them in any great detail are very much in the minority. I'd be surprised if the average person could even detail the differences in security implications between downloading an mp4 music video or downloading an executable application purporting to be a music video from the website of a band they like.

It's not exactly as if good old-fashioned music CDs never installed rootkits on users' computers either.

Re: Show HN: Kizina – Self-Executing, Interactive Music Album Technology

#20

Post by boomlinde »

pmontra wrote: post #16

I sympathize with the experiment but if one of the goals is to provide > Albums that just aren't files rotting away on a CD, or DVD, This is going to rot as an Android app instead, probably much faster than any CD or DVD. How long is the author planning to maintain the app?

Better make these things for stale platforms. Goto80 just released dubcrt, a self executing, "fully interactive" album for the C64--a platform unlikely to make an app-breaking change anytime soon. IMO this is a great example of what this thing claimed to do first, too.
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