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Re: Show HN: Jemini – Gemini for the Epstein Files

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Post by lukeigel »

Jmail maintainer and co-creator here. Very excited to see that someone finally made Jemini good!

Our development process has been interesting. Although just Riley and I first made Jmail, it's been really gratifying to see companies, journalists, and fellow developers like Diego rise to the occasion to make this entire suite of apps as high quality and extensive as possible.

Re: Show HN: Jemini – Gemini for the Epstein Files

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Post by dvrp »

spankalee wrote: post #6
sperr11 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to elaborate?

If it's using an LLM it'll make stuff up... about people and sex trafficking.

It links to the original documents released by the DOJ.

Also, just like LLMs hallucinate and it's up to the person to decide to commit the code into the repo (and they should be held accountable to that), the same applies to people who use this tool to release fake news.

Of course, we try to apply as many "ground-truthing" techniques as possible.

Journalists of all kinds are using Jmail already for their professional work and we are in touch with them when they give us feedback. For example, we've redacted victim's names that we would've not known except for the work of tons of volunteers and journalists—and yes, this was NOT redacted by the DOJ and should have.

But ofc, this is a thorny trade-off between victim protection and censorship.

Disclaimer: I actively work on jmailarchive!

Re: Show HN: Jemini – Gemini for the Epstein Files

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Post by cj »

dvrp wrote: post #8
spankalee wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's using an LLM it'll make stuff up... about people and sex trafficking.

It links to the original documents released by the DOJ. Also, just like LLMs hallucinate and it's up to the person to decide to commit the code into the repo (and they should be held accountable to that), the same applies to people who use this tool to release fake news. Of course, we try to apply as many "ground-truthing" techniques as possible. Journalists of all kinds are using Jmail already for their professional…

I think that’s a valid stance to take.

IMO it’s (unfortunately) the public’s responsibility to learn the lesson that LLM’s shouldn’t be trusted without double checking the source — same position Wikipedia was in 10 years ago. “Don’t use Wikipedia because it has incorrect information” used to be a major concern, but that seems to have faded away now that Wikipedia has found its place and people understand how to use it. I think a similar thing will happen with LLM’s.

That opinion does not take the responsibility away from LLMs to continue working on educating people and reducing hallucinations. I like to think of it as equal responsibility between the LLM provider and user. Like driving a car - the most advanced safety system won’t prevent a bad driver from crashing.

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