Show HN: Cabyn.co – The Social Network with No Ads, No Tracking, No Hate
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Re: Show HN: Cabyn.co – The Social Network with No Ads, No Tracking, No Hate
#2Cabyn is based on three simple principles:
1. No Ads: A lot of issues with current social sites stems from one thing: YOU are the product. It all comes down to getting more users and getting those users to click as much as possible. This leads to more radical content as well as online and offline abuse. There’s also a vast treasure trove of personal data that can be leaked at any moment.
To combat this, Cabyn is set up as a service. Users must bid to post a message. The number of messages is limited to one per minute. Because of this Cabyn is self-sustaining and more easily moderated.
2. No Tracking: Because bids cost money, we don’t need any personal information. We’re not selling ads, so we don’t need to know every move you make online. We don’t use Google Analytics, or any other invasive tracking. IP addresses are not stored, and we don’t ask for emails. Credit card details are securely stored on Stripe servers, not ours. If there ever were a data breach, the only information would be the messages themselves, which are already displayed on the website.
3. No Hate: A lot of social media is used to attack, put people down, and generally not be that nice. We want Cabyn to be a positive place. That’s a big part of why only one message per minute gets posted. A maximum of 1,440 messages a day is infinitely easier to moderate than 8,000 tweets per second, or 15,000+ Facebook actions per second.
The other hard thing about moderation is that people will always disagree with what should and shouldn’t be moderated. We want to make Cabyn a friendly place, so the current guide-line is anything PG-13 or lower should be fine. To discourage inappropriate material, inappropriate bids will be charged, but not shown on the site. This adds a significant cost to inappropriate posting with no benefit.
We’re looking forward to any questions, comments, thoughts, concerns, etc. Thanks!
Re: Show HN: Cabyn.co – The Social Network with No Ads, No Tracking, No Hate
#3It's an interesting experiment, but I wouldn't call it a "social" network. 1 message a minute wouldn't allow you to build communities or have any reasonable discussions.
Re: Show HN: Cabyn.co – The Social Network with No Ads, No Tracking, No Hate
#4It's an interesting experiment, but I wouldn't call it a "social" network. 1 message a minute wouldn't allow you to build communities or have any reasonable discussions.
I'm curious what that does to discourse too. If there's no advertising allowed and users bid on one post per minute, what's to stop someone with deep pockets from dominating the system?
I do think bidding to post and rate-limiting is an interesting solution but it seems like there needs to be some kind of scaling mechanism.
Re: Show HN: Cabyn.co – The Social Network with No Ads, No Tracking, No Hate
#5It's an interesting experiment, but I wouldn't call it a "social" network. 1 message a minute wouldn't allow you to build communities or have any reasonable discussions.
Incorrect. Fidonet and Usenet are two examples of built communities that were able to have reasonable discussions with up to days or weeks between messages.
Re: Show HN: Cabyn.co – The Social Network with No Ads, No Tracking, No Hate
#6Maybe I'm dense, or just viewing the site at an inopportune time, but even with your description comment, I still don't get it?
• You bid to place your given message on the front page for all to see, correct?
• And it stays up for 1 minute? Or until the next bid comes in?
• By "bid", does that mean someone can pay money and potentially lose out on their message being shown?
I think this is interesting, but is almost more of a viral online billboard.
Re: Show HN: Cabyn.co – The Social Network with No Ads, No Tracking, No Hate
#7Maybe I'm dense, or just viewing the site at an inopportune time, but even with your description comment, I still don't get it? • You bid to place your given message on the front page for all to see, correct? • And it stays up for 1 minute? Or until the next bid comes in? • By "bid", does that mean someone can pay money and potentially lose out on their message being shown? I think this is interesting, but is almost…
Sorry, it's more like a facebook wall... There's only been one post, hence the one image (but I just added a text message) :) Yes, you place a bid, and the highest bid is picked every minute. Your post goes onto the front page, and the rest get pushed down. However, the very top is reserved for the highest bid that hour, so if you bid $2, and everyone else bids $1 over the course of an hour, your bid will stay featured at the top. All winning bids will always be viewable by simply scrolling down.
And when you bid, your card is only charged if you win. So right now pretty much every bid would win, but if thousands of people are bidding, only the highest bid will win (and be charged) every minute. Hopefully that makes more sense?
Re: Show HN: Cabyn.co – The Social Network with No Ads, No Tracking, No Hate
#8Maybe I'm dense, or just viewing the site at an inopportune time, but even with your description comment, I still don't get it? • You bid to place your given message on the front page for all to see, correct? • And it stays up for 1 minute? Or until the next bid comes in? • By "bid", does that mean someone can pay money and potentially lose out on their message being shown? I think this is interesting, but is almost…
Sorry, it's more like a facebook wall... There's only been one post, hence the one image (but I just added a text message) :) Yes, you place a bid, and the highest bid is picked every minute. Your post goes onto the front page, and the rest get pushed down. However, the very top is reserved for the highest bid that hour, so if you bid $2, and everyone else bids $1 over the course of an hour, your bid will stay featur…
Gotcha, ya the single post was making it confusing, much more clear now. I'd definitely consider including a snappy couple lines of text that explain how it works.
Re: Show HN: Cabyn.co – The Social Network with No Ads, No Tracking, No Hate
#9It's an interesting experiment, but I wouldn't call it a "social" network. 1 message a minute wouldn't allow you to build communities or have any reasonable discussions.
Incorrect. Fidonet and Usenet are two examples of built communities that were able to have reasonable discussions with up to days or weeks between messages.
That's voluntary though. Nobody stopped anybody from having near real-time conversations.
Re: Show HN: Cabyn.co – The Social Network with No Ads, No Tracking, No Hate
#10The last thing the internet needs...