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Ask HN: Looking for programmers who don't use and don't want to use AI

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Post by Eliah_Lakhin »

Hello everyone,

I would like to know if there are programmers, communities, conferences, companies, forums etc, where people deliberately refuse to use any forms of AI tools for software development.

I'm looking for the same-minded people who are willing to keep developing hand-made things, and don't want to use AI tools at least in personal projects. If there are already existing communities, I will be glad to join.

What I mean by not using AI tools:

1. It means that you don't use it at all, not even GitHub Copilot for code completions. Everything you create, you made by hand.

2. If you are using AI for something else aside from your personal projects - it is ok. For example, if you are requested to use it on your current job, or like to discuss with ChatGPT your cooking recipes on weekends, it does not count as using AI for software development.

To clarify, I'm not against AI. This technology is marvelous, and it is totally fine if you are using it. I'm just looking for people who don't use it, because they don't want to.

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Post by dryark »

I'm against AI. I've written two books on the topic so far. I also use AI, as I must if my software company is going to make money. There is no choice any more.

If I had a choice I wouldn't use AI for anything, ever. It's a blight on humanity. But it is a blight everyone has chosen so we are stuck with it.

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Post by Eliah_Lakhin »

chromoblob wrote: post #3

what's wrong with using AI as a language-extrapolation tool specifically, for people who absolutely forego AI in personal projects? is it that "language is God-like" and therefore cannot be extrapolated artificially?

I'm not quite understand what "language-extrapolation" actually means.

Personally, I don't use AI because I like to program myself. There are many other reasons, but this simple one dominates.

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#7

Post by chromoblob »

Eliah_Lakhin wrote: post #6
chromoblob wrote: post #3

what's wrong with using AI as a language-extrapolation tool specifically, for people who absolutely forego AI in personal projects? is it that "language is God-like" and therefore cannot be extrapolated artificially?

I'm not quite understand what "language-extrapolation" actually means. Personally, I don't use AI because I like to program myself. There are many other reasons, but this simple one dominates.

language extrapolation is extrapolation applied to language.

example: you try to come up with the name for the most promising next tool (as in, a concept), as you personally judge how it should be named best. (IF YOU KNOW HOW TO TALK, you should have no problems with this.) you ask AI to explain that term. if AI misses significantly, you make your term more precise. pro tip. inspired by my learning style. example can be seen in my latest submission

i like to program myself by hand too, but you can use AI for programming others.

Re: Ask HN: Looking for programmers who don't use and don't want to use AI

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Post by pixel_popping »

chromoblob wrote: post #7
Eliah_Lakhin wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not quite understand what "language-extrapolation" actually means. Personally, I don't use AI because I like to program myself. There are many other reasons, but this simple one dominates.

language extrapolation is extrapolation applied to language. example: you try to come up with the name for the most promising next tool (as in, a concept), as you personally judge how it should be named best. (IF YOU KNOW HOW TO TALK, you should have no problems with this.) you ask AI to explain that term. if AI misses significantly, you make your term more precise. pro tip. inspired by my learning style. example can…

exactly this, doing programming as a Hobby is very different than from a money-making perspective, both aren't incompatible. After all, people do many things that are literally "useless" for fun (and most know already there is a better way to do practically anything they are doing, same as cooking), there is no reason it doesn't apply to programming, however, not using AI nowadays for anything business-related is counterintuitive.

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Post by chromoblob »

pixel_popping wrote: post #9
chromoblob wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

language extrapolation is extrapolation applied to language. example: you try to come up with the name for the most promising next tool (as in, a concept), as you personally judge how it should be named best. (IF YOU KNOW HOW TO TALK, you should have no problems with this.) you ask AI to explain that term. if AI misses significantly, you make your term more precise. pro tip. inspired by my learning style. example can…

exactly this, doing programming as a Hobby is very different than from a money-making perspective, both aren't incompatible. After all, people do many things that are literally "useless" for fun (and most know already there is a better way to do practically anything they are doing, same as cooking), there is no reason it doesn't apply to programming, however, not using AI nowadays for anything business-related is cou…

what is the economical foundation of the entity/phenomenon "businesses"?
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