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Ask HN: Anyone left their job because of RTO?

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Rumours has it, our company is planning RTO. I've been working remote for over a decade and not planning to go back to the office.

I was wondering if anyone here went through this and actually left because RTO was enforced. How did you go through it all? appreciate any feedback.

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I wish, market is too dangerous right now though. I was out of work for significantly longer than I should have been because my one dealbreaker for the longest time was remote.

Current job started out 3/2 hybrid but full RTO is being mandated by the end of the month. Not looking forward to it.

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I wish, market is too dangerous right now though. I was out of work for significantly longer than I should have been because my one dealbreaker for the longest time was remote. Current job started out 3/2 hybrid but full RTO is being mandated by the end of the month. Not looking forward to it.

I feel your pain. The market is bleak at the moment.

I checked linkedin a few times and it seems remote jobs are decreasing for some reason.

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I joined an in-person team then reorged in to a pseudo-remote team. I requested to move remote or transfer offices, was denied. So I left.

Unfortunate circumstances as I liked the people but didn't like going in to an office every day to work remote.

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Ian Goodfellow, of the GAN fame, left Apple and rejoined Google DeepMind because of Apple’s mandatory RTO policy.

My Apple friends are telling me Apple allows hybrid just fine. You can’t be fully remote, but that’s not available at Google either

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Ian Goodfellow, of the GAN fame, left Apple and rejoined Google DeepMind because of Apple’s mandatory RTO policy.

My Apple friends are telling me Apple allows hybrid just fine. You can’t be fully remote, but that’s not available at Google either

I recently (within the last year) left Apple. 3 days in the office is mandatory for everyone except those with explicit work from home designations registered within the HR system. Anyone with a desk assigned in an office is required to badge at that office on their org's chosen 3 days per week. Most orgs chose T-W-Th.

The difficulty is that folks that had agreements with their management prior to Covid about flexible working arrangements were nullified with Apple's RTO. So, if M and F was your arrangement prior to Covid and your org chose T-W-Th, too bad. Badge-swipes are being tracked and upper management is applying pressure to managers to get their people in the office, regardless of individuals' needs.

So, yeah, it's technically hybrid, but extremely rigid.

Going full time remote is also significantly harder now, as it must be approved by an SVP on an individual basis.

Any of this may have changed in the months since I left, but I've not heard of anything changing from my colleagues that are still there.

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I wish, market is too dangerous right now though. I was out of work for significantly longer than I should have been because my one dealbreaker for the longest time was remote. Current job started out 3/2 hybrid but full RTO is being mandated by the end of the month. Not looking forward to it.

I feel your pain. The market is bleak at the moment. I checked linkedin a few times and it seems remote jobs are decreasing for some reason.

I definitely understand it as a supply and demand thing. If supply for labor is high and demand for candidates is low, then obviously employers don’t have to be quite as enticing to candidates. The most attractive jobs are remote jobs so they’re the first to be filled.

What I don’t understand is why companies don’t seem to accept the obvious cost savings involved with remote work. I just can’t imagine that even hypothetically losing 10-20% productivity is worth paying office rent for. I thought the work from home studies were pretty conclusive that productivity wasn’t lost at all!

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