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Ask HN: Why don't VCs just "suck it up" and pay founders a competitive salary?

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Ask HN: Why don't VCs just "suck it up" and pay founders a competitive salary?

#1
Most startup founders and early employees make about 1/2 of what they can working for MAANG companies.

IMO this leads to the following problems:

1. Most startups that COULD exist are never actually started because the founders want to be making higher salaries working at Google/Microsoft/Meta/etc.

2. The only founders that actually move forward are ones that have a significant amount of cash in the back from previous startups.

3. The founders and investors aren't properly aligned. The founders want to exit but the investors want them to go long so that they get their unicorn exit.

Now #3 is mitigated in some situations by having the founders do 'partial founder buyout' where they sell some of their equity into the next round for a few million dollars each.

But this is an admission that there's a problem.

It just seems like everyone would be better off if VCs would just get over it and put in more cash and allow their portfolio companies to pay more competitive salaries.

I know this is happening in the AI space right now with companies paying more to pick up top talent - so they don't go to work for MAANG.

This is inherently bad for startup employees and they are directly subsidizing profits for the VCs.

The VCs get to diversify but the startup employees don't.

Re: Ask HN: Why don't VCs just "suck it up" and pay founders a competitive salary?

#6
What is a "competitive salary" as defined by you?

Most VCs ik are fine with founders paying themselves a market rate base, but I also work with VCs in the Bay Area and Seattle scene - maybe you're from France, Germany, Canada, or some other less founder friendly VC scene?

Also, as a founder your driving goal is to make a company that would succeed. It's up to you to decide your compensation package, but paying the CEO of a 2 person company $300k is just plain dumb.

What has happened to HN? First a post about a guy selling corruption as a service (yes, employees at private companies can be hit by corruption style laws) and now this?

Re: Ask HN: Why don't VCs just "suck it up" and pay founders a competitive salary?

#7
Putting more cash in means making fewer bets, holding constant the stage of startup VCs want to invest in.

VCs aren't employers. They're buying something (equity) startups are selling. The sellers can set whatever price they'd like; the market will clear at a particular price.

Re: Ask HN: Why don't VCs just "suck it up" and pay founders a competitive salary?

#8
Founders usually decide their salary, not VCs - if you are raising a seed and decide to use your runway to pay yourself a competitive salary then that's on you. How you decide to spend your seed money is up to you (barring fraud). Same for early employees, they negotiate with the founder, not VCs. Founders are the type of people who even if they were paid more, would plow that money back into the business - it doesn't make sense to take the tax hit.

I may be mistaken, but I've never heard of a VC dictating salaries.

Re: Ask HN: Why don't VCs just "suck it up" and pay founders a competitive salary?

#9
post #3

This is a feature, not a bug of the system.

No it's not. Founders can and should pay themselves a decent living wage. But I absolutely will reject a 2 person startup's CEO from paying themselves $300k a year if I was on their board.

Re: Ask HN: Why don't VCs just "suck it up" and pay founders a competitive salary?

#10
post #3

This is a feature, not a bug of the system.

Feature that benefits who? the VCs? I think that's what you're trying to say (with sarcasm). Correct me if I'm wrong though.

My take is that it means founders are sharing the risk by investing in the company and by taking a smaller salary than they could otherwise. This means there is a clear motivation to get a successful exit for them as well as the VC's
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