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Ask HN: Why don't we turn government into a subscription service?

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Ask HN: Why don't we turn government into a subscription service?

#1
Every service government offers today could be thought of as a subscription service which we are forced to pay for.

Every service exists to offer a benefit (direct or indirect) to the taxpayer.

Why don't we let companies compete to offer these benefits, and let people pay for what they want?

A good way to explore it is: if government ceased to exist overnight...what would be the order in which you would be impacted by the lack of services, and what steps would people take to plug these gaps, considering the fact that we live in a technological age with the internet and nascent AI.

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#2
'Why don't we let companies compete to offer these benefits, and let people pay for what they want?'

That's what education vouchers do, and many Republicans do support them. For national defense there is a free rider problem -- the military would protect your country regardless of whether you individually "subscribed". The general answer to your question is that the federal government largely exists to transfer money to the poor and the elderly. Big taxpayers are not paying primarily for services but for such transfers.

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#3
It’s an interesting thought experiment.

However there are lots of services which are in-fact inherent monopolies. Take electricity transmission or your ISP for example. They have a common set of infrastructure which is hard to share among many competing interests. Who gets to decide what should be upgraded, to what, and when? How does one divvy up costs infrastructure changes which did not benefit a significant set of participants because they are individually in the minority and unable to cooperate? If you prioritize minority participants then what about the majority participant? What about a super majority participant?

Lots of times cities will try to regulate these services tightly because past behavior has necessitated it. Though ISPs are perhaps a bad example here.

I read an article somewhere talking about a study where privatized healthcare resulted in increased profits but patient services suffered. Is profit above all else a good objective for government services?

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#4
Nobody would pay for the fire department, yet they'll have to come put out the fire anyway, so it doesn't destroy civilization.

Would all roads become toll roads? Do we just let the bridges crumble because there aren't enough people driving on them?

If you pay for your police and I don't, am I the one arrested even though you were the one who broke into my house?

Are companies that don't pay for the EPA allowed to pollute to their heart's content?

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The entire point of a government is that it can make long-term (generation spanning) decisions that might cost money and would never return a profit.

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#5
This is self representation with extra steps. The idea is that technology has made it possible for every citizen to represent their interests directly rather than requiring a representative.

Try getting a bridge built to the other side of the river where no one lives to expand the city.

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#6
There are two things. One is that something things it doesn't make sense to have multiple companies offering multiple versions. Specifically, right in front of my house, there's no place for a dozen companies to put multiple roads for me to get to work on. it's a highly un-free market because of physical limitations. For those, a simplistic model makes sense. Everyone contributes to a pot which is used to pay for maintenance because everyone benefits. Other things, it makes sense because the indirect nature of its benefits means the short sighted will opt out of. Eg elementary schools for children. If you don't have, and don't plan on ever having kids, you'd opt out of paying for that, but it's in your best interests not to have an uneducated population for a lot of reasons. Or take hospitals. As a young healthy person who's never needed to go to the hospital, you'd opt out of paying for them, only to have problems when you do get old and need to go to one. Hell, if I don't drive and don't have a car, I'd shortsightedly opt out of paying for road maintenance or the DMV, only to realize that I rely on that. Same for a vast number of other services that you don't see or need every day. How often do you think about the supply chain that supports the water treatment plant when you flush the toilet?

It's an interesting thought experiment, but it fundamentally misunderstands the reason for government to exist, which is not to turn a profit.

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#7
I'll assume that you're at least vaguely familiar with European-style (government) healthcare, and also American-style (corporate) healthcare.

If you are one of the few, who are getting a good cut of the every-growing profits, then the latter is nice. More so if you're one of the very few, who are too rich to care how much the "best care" often costs in America.

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#8
Yes of course! And why stop there? For those who can't afford the services they need, we could offer a special deal where people exchange their and their descendants' labor in perpetuity for a basic package of food, housing and clothing... we could call it the Subsidized Labor Assistance Voucher Empowerment program.

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#9

Nobody would pay for the fire department, yet they'll have to come put out the fire anyway, so it doesn't destroy civilization. Would all roads become toll roads? Do we just let the bridges crumble because there aren't enough people driving on them? If you pay for your police and I don't, am I the one arrested even though you were the one who broke into my house? Are companies that don't pay for the EPA allowed to po…

I’d also add that there are often power imbalances which are irreconcilable. If I go to buy some chicken, Tyson’s is going to laugh if I request to tour their growing facilities and processing plants. Even if I get everyone I know together to ask for it, we’re still too small a group to care about. Maybe I try organizing online, which probably goes nowhere but if it does they ask their buddies at Comcast to block access to that site, etc. Very few people have the time, energy, or resources to monitor more than a few of the thousands of companies they depend on.
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