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Ask HN: Best country to run a boostrapped startup from? (After Section 174)

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Ask HN: Best country to run a boostrapped startup from? (After Section 174)

#1
I'm currently a US Citizen living abroad in Taiwan.

If I want to run a bootstrapped startup while living in Taiwan that sells to mostly US based businesses, but is developed by 1099 contractors in Asia (which have a 15 year amortization period I believe?), is there a new "best country" to open the company in? Singapore? HK? Taiwan?

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#3
I run a business in HK, and generally it’s incredibly easy. Easy to set up, accounting is easy, ongoing fees are fairly low. So far I haven’t encountered any issue. But I’m well aware of the political issues being registered in HK might bring, and some (especially US) businesses might be wary of doing business.

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#5
Not an expert... but foreign investments require extra paperwork and tax for you at a minimum.

If it was me, I'd keep everything under the US system until you're profitable enough to hire an expert and not ask on HN.

Also if you're going to raise investment, I would stick to the USA.

You might get into legal or hiring issues if you only get contractors though.

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post #5

Not an expert... but foreign investments require extra paperwork and tax for you at a minimum. If it was me, I'd keep everything under the US system until you're profitable enough to hire an expert and not ask on HN. Also if you're going to raise investment, I would stick to the USA. You might get into legal or hiring issues if you only get contractors though.

I disagree. I think that HN is a fantastic online forum to ask questions about and talk about issues that concern startups.

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#7
The US Congress is working on some special tax legislation related to Taiwan. It’s part of the same package that will delay Section 174 from going into effect (retroactively???). It’s a bipartisan deal so there is a greater-than-zero chance it passes. I’d look into that before jumping ship and heading somewhere else.

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#8
I mean - isn't this really just a choice between your citizenship, your country of residence, and your target market? Sure you can tie yourself (and your lawyer and accountant...) in knots trying to come up with the ultimate tax and legal strategies, but at the start up / early-stage phase, getting something to market and getting customer feedback (and reaching some kind of profitability...) feel like they are going to matter a lot more than saving a few ducats in taxes, for most businesses.

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#9
post #3

I run a business in HK, and generally it’s incredibly easy. Easy to set up, accounting is easy, ongoing fees are fairly low. So far I haven’t encountered any issue. But I’m well aware of the political issues being registered in HK might bring, and some (especially US) businesses might be wary of doing business.

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post #4

How are the tax (filing and actual $ burden) complications of being a a majority owner of a foreign corporation?

Terrible. You're stepping into the territory of highly paid tax consultants due to a mountain of regulations which are unevenly enforced. You will be slammed by GILTI and FATCA and more.

US citizens involved with foreign businesses must file various reporting forms, including Form 5471 and Form 926 (foreign corporations), Form 8865 (foreign partnerships), Form 8858 (foreign limited liability companies), Form 3520 and Form 3520-A (foreign trusts), and FBAR. Form 8832 enables a foreign limited liability company to elect to be classified as a corporation, partnership, or disregarded entity for US tax purposes. Failure to timely file a required reporting form can subject a US citizen to significant civil and criminal penalties.

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