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Ask HN: Why are Ubuntu images so big?

#1
I just downloaded 23.10 and its 4.8GB. I went back and looked at the last few years releases

- 23.10 - 4.8G

- 23.04 - 4.6G

- 22.10 - 3.8G

- 22.04 - 3.4G

- 21.10 - 2.9G

- 21.04 - 2.6G

- 20.10 - 2.7G

- 20.04 - 2.5G

Maybe it's a noob question, but I can't find anyone else commenting on this. Why has Ubuntu doubled in size since mid-2020? Why does it grow by so much with every new release?

Re: Ask HN: Why are Ubuntu images so big?

#2
I would say: because nobody cares, "memory is cheap".

Same reason why software gets slower every time hardware gets faster, why everything expects a fast internet connection, or why it's impossible to buy a movie without DRMs (say if you want to have the file and add subtitles for your language):

Users don't care, they keep using/buying the non-optimized stuff. And devs are more productive (and companies make more money) by not optimizing anything.

Re: Ask HN: Why are Ubuntu images so big?

#5
It is not number of packages! 20.04 has 2977 packages and 23.10 has 1841 (from pkglist from distrowatch). After a quick eyeballing, example packages in 20.04 but NOT in 23.10: apache, g++, qemu, php, postgres, samba.

Also for comparison:

- MacOS installer ~14G [0]

- Windows 11 installer ~8G [1]

- Arch installer ~800M [2]

0: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201372

1: https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows11

2: https://archlinux.org/download/

Re: Ask HN: Why are Ubuntu images so big?

#10
post #5

It is not number of packages! 20.04 has 2977 packages and 23.10 has 1841 (from pkglist from distrowatch). After a quick eyeballing, example packages in 20.04 but NOT in 23.10: apache, g++, qemu, php, postgres, samba. Also for comparison: - MacOS installer ~14G [0] - Windows 11 installer ~8G [1] - Arch installer ~800M [2] 0: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201372 1: https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/window…

interesting! my first guess was that it would be the number of packages, so that's wrong.

also interesting to see that arch is so much smaller. Kind of surprised Win11 is 8Gb since Win10 was less than half that

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