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Ask HN: Self taught developers, do you feel like you're ever able to “Catch up”?

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Ask HN: Self taught developers, do you feel like you're ever able to “Catch up”?

#1
Especially if you're doing work outside of the web development space.

I'm a math major that's been a front-end developer for three years. I used to not mind lacking a formal computer science education, but I'm starting to realize that's because the problems I have been working on have, frankly, not been very technically interesting.

My current big interest is accessibility, and that eventually led me to doing open-source contributions to the accessibility module in Chromium. I've done around 5-6 bug fixes, 2 improvements to tooling, and 1 moderately sized but straightforward enhancement (it's just updating an ARIA attribute to support multiple IDREFs instead of one). It's opened my eyes to the world of programming outside of web development and helped me grow as an engineer, but as I interact with more and more talented people it's making me woefully aware of how much knowledge I'm missing. It doesn't help that my best friend DOES have a formal education and works for a relatively popular Linux distribution, although it is cool to hear the technical problems they deal with.

I'm currently motivated to fill in my gaps because I think it's cool to help push the accessibility of the web forward. I want to become a better engineer so I can do more in that space (planning to use https://teachyourselfcs.com/). But at the same time, it's demotivating when you're surrounded by people who have been coding since they were 11 or whatever. It's probably also not great for my self-esteem that I've been unemployed for a little less than a year (quit my last job due to some unrelated trauma/depression that's more or less resolved with lots of therapy).

Re: Ask HN: Self taught developers, do you feel like you're ever able to “Catch up”?

#2
I'm also self-taught (but one of these who started when they were 5, rather than 11).

I think you already have great ingredients to up level your skill:

* an area you're curious and passionate about (Accessibility)

* already contributed bug fixes, improvements to tooling, and 1 moderately sized enhancement to a widely used piece of software

* surrounded by people better than you

My advice is to try and build something from scratch yourself. That will allow you to discover and learn a lot more.

What is the programming language that you have the most expertise in?

Re: Ask HN: Self taught developers, do you feel like you're ever able to “Catch up”?

#3
Where do you want to be in five years? That's what I ask myself once in a while.

Read the great books of the field, starting with the Mythical Man Month, because all the others refer back to it.

Do one of the CS courses they mention on here once in a while. Online, self-paced whatever. (Oh, see you've found one.)

Don't rush it, expect it to take several years at a part-time pace to get fully up to speed. Yet, you never stop learning in this biz---don't take it personally. Was telling a younger person recently that there is an overwhelming amount of things to learn as a software dev these days. I had the benefit of learning it piece by piece over a couple of decades from the ground up as it was invented. Not so today, don't be too hard on yourself.

Re: Ask HN: Self taught developers, do you feel like you're ever able to “Catch up”?

#4

I'm also self-taught (but one of these who started when they were 5, rather than 11). I think you already have great ingredients to up level your skill: * an area you're curious and passionate about (Accessibility) * already contributed bug fixes, improvements to tooling, and 1 moderately sized enhancement to a widely used piece of software * surrounded by people better than you My advice is to try and build somethin…

My experience is mostly in JavaScript, although I'm trying to level up my C++ skills more recently. My biggest fear is accidentally writing a security vulnerability, so I've been watching a lot of presentations on past security bugs in Chromium so I don't repeat the same mistakes.

I have been thinking of making an IAccessible2 inspector, since all the old ones are abandoned and crash in Windows 11, or are missing some nice to have features. But I won't lie that recently I've been feeling the job search burn, so more of my side projects are web apps using technologies to aid resume driven development, haha.

Re: Ask HN: Self taught developers, do you feel like you're ever able to “Catch up”?

#5

Where do you want to be in five years? That's what I ask myself once in a while. Read the great books of the field, starting with the Mythical Man Month, because all the others refer back to it. Do one of the CS courses they mention on here once in a while. Online, self-paced whatever. (Oh, see you've found one.) Don't rush it, expect it to take several years at a part-time pace to get fully up to speed. Yet, you nev…

Thanks for mentioning Mythical Man Month - I've never heard of it before, but it seems like a good read from a skim. I've always felt that engineers in the past have already solved (or put heavy thought into) a lot of the problems we deal with today, and I was wondering where I could get that insight.

Re: Ask HN: Self taught developers, do you feel like you're ever able to “Catch up”?

#6

Where do you want to be in five years? That's what I ask myself once in a while. Read the great books of the field, starting with the Mythical Man Month, because all the others refer back to it. Do one of the CS courses they mention on here once in a while. Online, self-paced whatever. (Oh, see you've found one.) Don't rush it, expect it to take several years at a part-time pace to get fully up to speed. Yet, you nev…

Thanks for mentioning Mythical Man Month - I've never heard of it before, but it seems like a good read from a skim. I've always felt that engineers in the past have already solved (or put heavy thought into) a lot of the problems we deal with today, and I was wondering where I could get that insight.

Yup, you'll be blown away at how all the people problems haven't changed a bit. Even if we have it a lot easier than punch cards.

There's a 20th anniversary edition and you can skip the chapter with source code and the one fawning over Windows. ;-)