I'm a web developer who has been in the market for a new job for a while now. As someone who has never enjoyed working with frontend JS frameworks (yes, I sucked it up and learned them and have worked with them professionally) I'm wondering who all the companies are who have embraced the semi-recent "HTML over the wire" movement (Can you imagine... using hyper text transfer protocol for transferring hyper text? Seems nuts, I know). It's a massive slog shifting through endless React/Vue/etc-focused jobs out there. Even if you use React in small areas where it pulls its weight but generally try and stick to simplicity of sending plain ol' HTML, I'd love to know who you are. Even if you aren't hiring, it's nice knowing you're out there fighting the good fight :)
Ask HN: What companies are embracing “HTML over the wire”?
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#2Basecamp, Github
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#3Is “HTML over the wire” a new buzzword for SSR or is there a difference I'm missing?
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#4Is “HTML over the wire” a new buzzword for SSR or is there a difference I'm missing?
I think it's HTMX etc, so yes SSR. That was how I started building web apps in my first job as a dev, crazy how the loop of front-end technologies is only like 10 years.
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#5Is “HTML over the wire” a new buzzword for SSR or is there a difference I'm missing?
It is rendered server side, but typically the server keeps track of only what needs to change and sends as small as possible an update to dynamically update the DOM. You end up with a user experience that feels close to an SPA, but a dev experience that feels close to traditional SSR.
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#6Basecamp, Github
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#7FWIW most of the companies using Phoenix (Elixir) that I've talked with are sending HTML over the wire, either with LiveView or traditional Views.
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#8Is “HTML over the wire” a new buzzword for SSR or is there a difference I'm missing?
Partly, but it especially means things like Phoenix LiveView[0] or htmx [1]. With these you can create SPA like experiences by sending partial html updates from the server and applying them by some light JS to the UI (which you don't have to write yourself).
[0] https://hexdocs.pm/phoenix_live_view/Phoenix.LiveView.html [1] https://htmx.org/
Re: Ask HN: What companies are embracing “HTML over the wire”?
#9Basecamp, Github
yeah, i thought github was moving away from html over the wire; rails to react.
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#10Is “HTML over the wire” a new buzzword for SSR or is there a difference I'm missing?
I think it's referring to partial server-side renders. SSR is usually used to refer to statically rendering pages, while the "new" thing is to dynamically update pages with chunks of SSR-created HTML.