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Ask HN: Burnt out from big tech. What's next?

#1
Over 10 years at FAANGs (mostly working in ML) I've lost the joy of software engineering, and I've been at some level of burnout for a few years. I'm considering leaving tech, but I wonder if a change of focus could reignite my motivation. Can you suggest some options, or share any relevant advice?

I figure I could take a sabbatical and explore some new areas, try to transition to contracting, or look for jobs outside of the big tech/web startup scene. Ideally I'd like something that requires rigor, with a focus on software architecture or algorithms/optimization. I'd also like to minimize the type of workplace politics I've experienced at FAANG. I'm open to suggestions that don't exclusively have to do with software. Part of me is tired of spending so much of my life in front of a computer.

Here are some disorganized ideas that might give a sense of my interests:

- Cryptography and security (not cryptocurrency/blockchain): I have a math background and I was always an algebra/discrete math person, so this seems a potential fit.

- Formal verification / theorem proving

- Open messaging standards (e.g., Matrix): I find the current state with siloed proprietary messengers a travesty

- Open repositories of knowledge (e.g., Wikipedia, OpenStreetMap)

- "User-empowering" software (e.g., Emacs, Ableton Live)

- Distributed systems

- Programming language development (compilers, libraries)

- Graphics (though the gaming industry isn't exactly the place to recover from burnout)

- Research in cognitive science, psychedelics (lots of hype here though), complex systems, physics

- Studying music composition or audio engineering

- Helping out with homelessness, loneliness, the elderly or disabled

Re: Ask HN: Burnt out from big tech. What's next?

#2
(OP here) I wanted to avoid a wall of text, so I'll elaborate here on where I'm coming from.

My complaints with FAANG have to do with perverse incentives that reward nonsensical decisions, poorly thought-out and over-engineered projects, grandiose documents, duplication of work, selective reporting of metrics, etc.

The few times I had a really good manager, a sane environment, and fulfilling work only lasted until the next reorg. It seems like most organizations are either stressful with a lot of adversarial behavior, or have almost nothing to do but depressing busywork. I also find the social aspect lackluster if not downright alienating. I feel at a dead end both in career growth and opportunities to learn on the technical side. I could roll the dice with another team change, but I'm not eager at the prospects.

Most of my work experience is in ML, but I don't want to box myself into that. I find the current hype around generative models insufferable, and the typical ML project today consists of somewhat sloppy Python and a lack of good engineering practices. I'm also tired of the increasingly long and opaque feedback loops (come up with an idea, wait for your giant model to retrain, hope that some metric goes up). I'm still passionate about some aspects (e.g., learning representations, knowledge grounding, sane ML workflows).

I hear that academia has similar issues (though again I mostly know about ML), and I imagine lots of industries have worse conditions than tech. I realize that sloppiness and politics are a fact of life, so I'm wary of falling into the "grass is greener" trap.

Re: Ask HN: Burnt out from big tech. What's next?

#4
adjacently related to purpose-driven projects, I've founded the company that competes with college by creating a pathway from high school to careers, and we are starting to get some momentum. I built an mvp to get some awesome pilots going, but now looking for someone to take over the tech role as we go from 0++

if it sounds like this might fuel you rather than consume you, email me: dbreggs22@gmail.com

Re: Ask HN: Burnt out from big tech. What's next?

#5
In 2018, I took a year-long sabbatical from a FAANG company (FYI, I was principal level and it required VP approval). I had previously taken a few 1-3 month breaks between positions prior to the sabbatical. Although am I grateful for the extended breaks, they are far from a panacea and downright stressful if you set your expectations too high :).

Feel free to reach out if you want to discuss further.

Re: Ask HN: Burnt out from big tech. What's next?

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(OP here) I wanted to avoid a wall of text, so I'll elaborate here on where I'm coming from. My complaints with FAANG have to do with perverse incentives that reward nonsensical decisions, poorly thought-out and over-engineered projects, grandiose documents, duplication of work, selective reporting of metrics, etc. The few times I had a really good manager, a sane environment, and fulfilling work only lasted until th…

The passionate people that started all these companies wouldn't take most jobs in them today. The bureaucrats have taken over, even surprisingly in "startup" culture, not just FAANG. I don't think programming will retain value as a profession without being actively defended.

Re: Ask HN: Burnt out from big tech. What's next?

#9
I did something similar and stopped working for over a year. I just took on some basic contracting and just let my curiosity drive me. The whole idea was to just not plan and let things happen naturally because I was tired of trying to minmax everything I did. I tried many things, shared it with people, and then ended up finding my passion as well as a new job in an area that I haven't considered before.

As a reminder, what you are passionate about and what you do for work does not have to be the same. I would say it's best to keep it separate. Keeping it separate helped ground myself and care less about my career. At the end of the day, I can't say the last 10 years of my career was something I am proud of sharing with my friends and family. No one cares that you built a dashboard that saved the organization a million dollars; I certainly don't. People care about your passions and what drives you, and I care about working on something that I can be proud of.

My suggestion would be to just pick anything you are interested in and just go with the flow. When you get to a point where you are no longer interested, next.

Let yourself be and you'll see.

Re: Ask HN: Burnt out from big tech. What's next?

#10
Have you ever seriously looked into doing your own startup? I've been founding SaaS startups for the past 5 years and I can't go back. Hasn't been as lucrative (thus far) as FAANG would have been, but it's paid the bills and has been far, far, far more enjoyable than any corporate job.

Would be more than happy to give you my perspective and what it's been like as a small, moderately successfuly SaaS founder. Ping me at scottmas@altmails.com

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