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Ask HN: Isn't ChatGPT unfair to the sources it scraped data from?

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Post by wxce »

ChatGPT scraped data from various sources on the internet.

> The model was trained using text databases from the internet. This included a whopping 570GB of data obtained from books, webtexts, Wikipedia, articles and other pieces of writing on the internet. To be even more exact, 300 billion words were fed into the system.

I believe it's unfair to these sources that ChatGPT drives away their clicks, and in turn the ad income that would come with them.

Scraping data seems fine in contexts where clicks aren't driven away from the very site the data was scraped from. But in ChatGPT's case, it seems really unfair to these sources and the work that the authors put, as people would no longer even to attempt to go to these sources.

Can this start breaking the ad-based model of the internet, where a lot of sites rely upon the ad income to run servers?

Re: Ask HN: Isn't ChatGPT unfair to the sources it scraped data from?

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Post by corobo »

This argument came up a bunch a while back. I settled on the opinion that while it's possible to buy summaries of books, I don't give a fart in a breeze where ChatGPT got it's data.

E.g. Summary of How to Win Friends and Influence People: Effective Steps to Better Interpersonal Relationships by Book Lyte

ChatGPT does more of a mashup with the learned data than humans need to, that'll do me.

Re: Ask HN: Isn't ChatGPT unfair to the sources it scraped data from?

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Post by hobs »

anthropodie wrote: post #4

Well you could say same thing about the answers that Google displays on it's pages instead of search results! If you don't want these crawlers to index your content I am pretty sure you can disable via robots.txt just like Google.

It's the lack of attribution that really hurts, though I think its fairly shady of google to steal the ad revenue from smaller sites.

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Post by glofish »

cebert wrote: post #2

Is it unfair that to present coworkers thoughts you summarized or derived after reading ad-supported content?

if it is ad-supported then you "bought and paid for" that content, no?

so in that case it wouldn't be unfair ... :-)

did the ChatGPT pay for the content it is using? that was the original question...

Re: Ask HN: Isn't ChatGPT unfair to the sources it scraped data from?

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Post by altdataseller »

anthropodie wrote: post #4

Well you could say same thing about the answers that Google displays on it's pages instead of search results! If you don't want these crawlers to index your content I am pretty sure you can disable via robots.txt just like Google.

They still link to the source though. Even when they show a snippet.

Re: Ask HN: Isn't ChatGPT unfair to the sources it scraped data from?

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Post by Spooky23 »

hobs wrote: post #6
anthropodie wrote: post #4

Well you could say same thing about the answers that Google displays on it's pages instead of search results! If you don't want these crawlers to index your content I am pretty sure you can disable via robots.txt just like Google.

It's the lack of attribution that really hurts, though I think its fairly shady of google to steal the ad revenue from smaller sites.

You can ask for the source of information.

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

anthropodie wrote: post #4

Well you could say same thing about the answers that Google displays on it's pages instead of search results! If you don't want these crawlers to index your content I am pretty sure you can disable via robots.txt just like Google.

The idea that a robots.txt will save you is laughable.
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