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Ask HN: Is it possible to have a structured work day in software dev?

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Ask HN: Is it possible to have a structured work day in software dev?

#1
Lately, I feel exhausted with all the late night meetings thats required of me at work. Discussed it with my manager few months ago and he offered to take me off on-call rotation and put me in a leadership role. While this was good initially, lately this has come up with its own set of challenges, where in I'm required to have nightly meetings with other teams who are outside of my timezone. Since I'm in a leadership role now, my manager says its inevitable as I've to be present in these meetings.

I feel so burned out and anxious all the time, not because of overwork, but due to a lack of formal structure in my work day.

I'm thinking of starting out on my own someday, but I wonder, is it even realistic to have a 9-5 kind of structure in IT/software dev field ? Whether i work for a big org / startup / myself, is it inevitable that I have to work round the clock and I've to accept it as a way of life ? Is there a sub-field in software dev where in I can login at a specific time / logout at a specific time and not have to worry about work after I log out.

PS: Honestly speaking, I used to work at IT service industry not too long ago (perhaps in mid 2000s), where I was working on a boxed software. Except for some crunch time during major releases, there was no pager duty expected, the pay was average at best and work was monotonous bug fixing, but I felt much more at peace since work was always predictable most of the time. With this on-call culture thanks to the 99.99 uptime thats become the de-facto industry standard for most companies, I wonder whether such companies exist anymore !

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#2
Sounds like you are being overworked. A 9-5 as an Eng Manager is achievable, but you might need to jump ship to find it.

Working late has a huge knock-on effect on your social life and ability to interact with society around you. That's probably contributing to your burnout.

If there's budget or willingness, having someone in that timezone who can perform your role for that meeting may be possible.

I'd be very wary of taking any regular work outside of your contracted hours unless there is a lot of $$$$ involved and your relationships can survive it.

You might get some mileage out of a long vacation, or agressively pruning your work hours.

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#4
Fun technical challenges.

Predictable, steady work schedule.

Nice compensation package.

Pick two (at most). Sometimes you‘re really lucky, but it won‘t stay forever as the organization will drift into one of the corners naturally.

Note it‘s okay to re-pick occasionally as sometimes you need one more than the other in life.

I sure did, and found some peace in this great article from NYT: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15107818

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#6
I honestly think the solution for your problem is much easier than you think. Find a new job. It looks like this company will always find a way to overwork you, one way or another. It's not everywhere as toxic, so I'd start looking for something better.

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#7

Sounds like you are being overworked. A 9-5 as an Eng Manager is achievable, but you might need to jump ship to find it. Working late has a huge knock-on effect on your social life and ability to interact with society around you. That's probably contributing to your burnout. If there's budget or willingness, having someone in that timezone who can perform your role for that meeting may be possible. I'd be very wary o…

Usually the company will arrange meeting time that's closest with both parties working hour. Let's say between 6-8 AM or 18-20 PM. Otherwise that very late time meeting will be rare and in special situation.

Having that kind of meeting be regular sounds like a bad management to me.

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to have a structured work day in software dev?

#9
Your company is badly managed.

Mine also has international teams across the globe and we don't regularly have meetings at unreasonable hours (except for employees in India)

This is done by not expecting managers in Europe to manage day to day work going on in Asia, etc.

Your company doesn't value your well being and you should leave.

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to have a structured work day in software dev?

#10
> ... I wonder, is it even realistic to have a 9-5 kind of structure in IT/software dev field ?

Sure it is. The company must be small enough to not have interational clients or big enough to have dedicated support team for different timezone. But not that big to have entire dev team in different timezone you need to communicate with. Or even bigger to have also management in every time zone necessary.

My friend works as a dev in a big corporate software company and has a stable schedule. Not 9-5 but more like 11-7 by his own choice. He said his colleages with familly life can start at 7 and be home after 3pm.

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