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Ask HN: When did corporate America become so flaky?

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HI HN!

TL:DR - When did poor communication etiquette become normalized in American corporate culture?

I re-entered the job market several months ago after not needing to touch my resume since 2008 (see last submission) and my experience has been nothing short of brutally sobering. My age (40s) and experience (20+ years in IT) was definitely helpful in keeping me resilient through the process, and I'm extremely fortunate to have landed a senior IT leadership role that I love.

BUT I have come away from this entire ordeal a touch jaded and syndical towards much corporate America and how people are treated within the job search process (almost all other job seekers I spoke to had very similar experiences) . These are several key takeaways from my job hunt that I wanted to get some feedback/input from the HN community on potentially why this is happening and why it seems to be so prevalent across so many companies today:

1. Of the 13 staff-level (not recruiters) virtual interviews I had where no job offer was given, 9 of them that moved onto second interviews, 4 to third, I only received follow-up "dear john" communication from 2 of them. Ironically these were both from first-round interview companies. Is it normal practice to ghost applicants at the staff-level interview process? In brutal self reflection I even recorded several of the interviews and shared them with friends in senior leadership positions to ask for coaching advice and the feedback was overwhelmingly positive.

2. Communications, especially logistical planning for interviews, was at times borderline comical. This is not hyperbole when I say that more often than not I would need to write follow-up emails after an email communication would go unresponded to for over a week, sometimes longer, sometimes not at all.

3. I have, as of today, well over 30 ATL optimized applications still sitting in "applications purgatory" with many large fortune 500 companies. Most of these applications are from 3-4 months ago. The fact that these companies have no automated purge/rejection process seems bizarre to me.

Help me out HN. How does your company handle communication etiquette? Am I out of touch to be expecting email replies to relevant, time sensitive information within days, not weeks? Why is ghosting tolerated, or is it normal now and I'm just expecting too much from this new generation?

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I have noticed that communication has gone substantially downhill since the pandemic. Even communicating with people like some doctors, paralegals, and nurses has been tough.

There's some incorrect information in my kid's medical file. It's basically impossible to get it corrected. The courts will also take the word of some nurse who entered the note over the parent. Why? Simply because they're a nurse. Yet they're still human, and there's no audit or error correcting mechanism/process in their note taking.

I'm not sure what may be causing the communication issues. My personal theory is that people don't care. The narrative is out there that people don't want to work, etc. Even if it's not true, I think many people have taken that and the relatively safe job market to slack off on stuff they don't see as important. I see this somewhat in my own career, although there are a few other factors there.

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I have noticed that communication has gone substantially downhill since the pandemic. Even communicating with people like some doctors, paralegals, and nurses has been tough. There's some incorrect information in my kid's medical file. It's basically impossible to get it corrected. The courts will also take the word of some nurse who entered the note over the parent. Why? Simply because they're a nurse. Yet they're s…

Yes, hiring is not the only area where OP's points hold true.

Almost everyone is either worn down by overwork or societal issues. Many fall into both categories. Apathy, as you note, is a common defense mechanism.

Can anyone think of any services that have gotten better and stayed that way since 2020?

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I have noticed that communication has gone substantially downhill since the pandemic. Even communicating with people like some doctors, paralegals, and nurses has been tough. There's some incorrect information in my kid's medical file. It's basically impossible to get it corrected. The courts will also take the word of some nurse who entered the note over the parent. Why? Simply because they're a nurse. Yet they're s…

Yes, hiring is not the only area where OP's points hold true. Almost everyone is either worn down by overwork or societal issues. Many fall into both categories. Apathy, as you note, is a common defense mechanism. Can anyone think of any services that have gotten better and stayed that way since 2020?

Depends on the definition of "better", but bill collectors, maybe.

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I have noticed that communication has gone substantially downhill since the pandemic. Even communicating with people like some doctors, paralegals, and nurses has been tough. There's some incorrect information in my kid's medical file. It's basically impossible to get it corrected. The courts will also take the word of some nurse who entered the note over the parent. Why? Simply because they're a nurse. Yet they're s…

> my personal theory is that people don’t care

Apathy and exhaustion are extremely difficult to tell apart. It is also possible that many people, especially in the medical sector are burnt out.

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> How does your company handle communication etiquette? There's no etiquette in hiring today. Anything goes is the current de facto standard, and anything above it is extending courtesy to the candidate.

I'm inclined to agree. How long do you feel this has been the case?

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People dont have time to respond to each and every applicant, given that there are 100s of them for each job. And teams have multiple job opening.

Also they have current job responsibilities/deliverables which are of higher priority.

Basically you can only expect good communication if you are top tier candidate for a critical job function, and company really really needs you. If job is not business critical - it will be slow.

Most of companies are freezing hiring/slowing down, and are not as desperate for people as they were before.

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I have noticed that communication has gone substantially downhill since the pandemic. Even communicating with people like some doctors, paralegals, and nurses has been tough. There's some incorrect information in my kid's medical file. It's basically impossible to get it corrected. The courts will also take the word of some nurse who entered the note over the parent. Why? Simply because they're a nurse. Yet they're s…

> my personal theory is that people don’t care Apathy and exhaustion are extremely difficult to tell apart. It is also possible that many people, especially in the medical sector are burnt out.

I think apathy and physical exhaustion is fairly easy to tell apart. I do agree that burnout and apathy can be difficult to distinguish, mostly because they're the same just with different motives (apathy is generally voluntary but burnout is apathy that's involuntary because the person simply can't care anymore while staying sane). But it's definitely across industries and not just in healthcare.

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I have noticed that communication has gone substantially downhill since the pandemic. Even communicating with people like some doctors, paralegals, and nurses has been tough. There's some incorrect information in my kid's medical file. It's basically impossible to get it corrected. The courts will also take the word of some nurse who entered the note over the parent. Why? Simply because they're a nurse. Yet they're s…

> There's some incorrect information in my kid's medical file. It's basically impossible to get it corrected.

Not the case, chief - that's covered by HIPAA. If you submit a formal correction request, they're obligated to respond or land in very hot water with HHS. If they disagree with your correction request, you have the right to get a statement of disagreement added to your records.

https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-individuals/medical-records/in...

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