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Ask HN: Where are all the senior front end engineers?

#1
Anecdotally, our company has been struggling to hire senior FE (web) engineers. I've heard from friends that their companies are also struggling to hire senior FE engineers.

A few hypotheses:

* FE engineering has gotten a bad rap over the past years ([insert joke about web dev])

* Most companies don't have interesting FE work (add a button?)

Curious if others have had similar problems, or if my personal observations don't properly represent the true state of things

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#2
I'm a full stack dev that's also somehow excel at react (who also don't mind frontend jobs at all), and also have some interviews for senior front end openings in recent weeks.

The job title senior front end is too broad IMO. Since most of the time at early 2000, if we're talking about front end we'll usually deal with complex css, design, and ui/ux. What's worse is usually that skillset is not in align with react at all, since react is more into programming than design.

IMO, it's easier (and more accurate) to search for fullstack nodejs programmer who also know react (or vue, etc).

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#6
I qualify as a senior FE engineer but the last time I was looking finding open positions for that exact title was difficult. I don't really mind full stack (I guess it would depend on the backend) so I normally take those jobs as I'm more flexible to the company that hires me. Also I prefer smaller companies Also if you aren't posting a salary you might be losing people who gloss over the posting since FE isn't always respected/paid well. I think that factors into my gravitating to full stack work, I absolutely love FE work but finding a company that will let me do that and pays well AND is small has been... challenging.

It's hard to give more advice without seeing something like a job posting. I will say, don't limit yourself by framework (but DO say what you use, if it's not greenfield). I prefer Vue but I've built sites/apps in Angular and I have no doubt I could pick up React if I needed to. A "real" senior FE developer isn't going to balk at any of the big 3 frameworks (or minor ones but be ready to explain why you picked something other than Angular/React/Vue).

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#7
Blame this on the low bar to entry. HTML, CSS & JS are relatively easy to learn. So you have everyone applying for these jobs and we’ve reached peak front end candidates.

The real trick is to find those who use that tech in new and interesting ways. Those who push the envelope.

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#8
I think as you grow in your career you'll tend to specialize rather than generalize. You get really good at a few things, rather than somewhat good at lots of things. The "Senior FE" roles are fewer but more specific. Now and then I see listings for "Performance Engineer", "Accessibility Engineer", and "Infrastructure Engineer", but on further inspection these are actually Senior Front End roles, but not in title.

Recently I went through a generic Sr FE interview at Google (still waiting to find out if I've been ghosted after). There were 5 or 6 rounds, and I feel I totally bombed one of them, excelled at one, and did okay at the others. I think that's acceptable at this level. I went through a "Performance Engineer" interview loop at another company, and the rounds were all specific to the role. I had a much better experience in that interview.

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#9
I wouldn't say it's just FE - many of my recruiter friends have this problem with ANY senior developer. It's low supply and low turnover.

Additionally, it could be your job posting not being enticing enough to get hits. I'm a senior FE dev and I saw some pretty bad job postings (hostile programming assessments, unpaid take home assignments, a circus of interviewing rounds). If you don't have your salary listed, that could be the issue too.

I can't speak for everyone here, but I'll take 2nd or 3rd best in compensation if the interviewing process isn't a 3-ring circus. ie, I will actively drop out to protect my time from bad interview pipelines.

My last two gigs were less than 2 hours of total conversation before a contract got signed, as an anecdote. Hell, I had one that was a 23 minute phonecall (it was awesome!). Some people just know how to hire someone after they look at a good LinkedIn or GitHub profile.

Just my 2 cents. As a selfish plug, you could talk to freelancers who have the expertise you need so stuff gets done in the meantime. It's not ideal, but at least you'd have the help...

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