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Ask HN: How do you decide what to eat/mealplan?

#1
For many years now most of my meals end up being junk food. My analysis is that this is mostly due to mental issues (ADHD), decision paralysis on what to cook as well as uncertainty on the huge number of different diets and advice you can find online (reduce carbs? Reduce fats? Eat lettuce all day?).

Planning a couple of days worth of good meals is seeming like an impossible task, let alone a plan that's healthy (for whatever definition of healthy) and manages to consistently use what's stocked in the fridge/pantry.

So HN: Have you hacked your meal planning/cooking? What procedures have you developed?

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#2
I have CFS and to try and combat it I am experimenting with a low carb diet. This restriction takes a lot of thought out of meal prep as every meal is protein and veg/salad. Nothing gourmet required.

There are plenty of keto treats and zero calorie but tasty drinks (some based on just native plants) to scratch the sweet tooth itch.

It has been working well to quench a lot of CFS and also I am losing weight through better hunger regulation although that isn’t a primary goal (but I am overweight so it is not a problem).

Two burgers, sans bun, an egg and salad is super filling and like 500 calories or so.

Re: Ask HN: How do you decide what to eat/mealplan?

#4
Eat real food, not too much, mostly plants.[1]

Figure out what you want / like to eat, and perhaps why (more on this below).

Learn how to prepare that.

Use that to guide your shopping.

If you're not buying what you plan to / want to eat, you're going to have difficulty in preparing meals based on that.

Learn basics of nutrition. There are numerous guides, I've found fitness / bodybuilding books useful as they're strongly focused on macronutrients (carbs, fats, proteins), as well as micros (vitamins & minerals). They also tend to emphasize short meal prep and economy of ingredients. Tip: books oriented at women tend to focus far more on food and recipes. I've found the New Rules of Lifting series to be quite good in this regard, and whilst both the "For Men" and "For Women" titles emphasize nutrition, the women's book covers this in much more detail. These are vastly more useful than the "food pyramid", which is mostly a marketing tool for different sectors of the US ag & food industry.

Another element of fitness books is that they incorporate goals into meal planning. You can leverate this beyond simple fitness, keeping in mind that what you eat should serve some purpose. That purpose could be fitness, weight loss, muscle gain, or considerations such as ease of preparation, entertainment, variety, health concerns, limited storage / refrigerator / freezer space, etc.

Learn some basic recipies and foods. They're the foundation of a diet and menu, you can use or add to these to create a vast variety of dishes. Or you may decide you've got your go-to meals and go with those. If you don't have a cookbook or set of cookbooks, invest in some (perhaps checking them out at the library first).

If you plan on preparing your own meals, learn to cook. There are classes and courses (a great way to meet people as well), books, videos (a lot of cruft along with the good), and more. Keep in mind that there's a wide range of goals and intents behind these, from basics to social signalling (see the recent jarred garlic thread for all the social context mixed up in food: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31943770).

Build up a basic kitchen and set of tools. That's your basic pots and pans, bowls, cutting board, a good knife or three (Chef's, paring, bread, for starters), spoons and spatulas, and a few basic tools (graters, presses, and the like), and some food-storage containers (for batched-preparation and leftovers). It really doesn't take much, and you can build with time. Low-tech is often best, and my most treasured utensiles are a 60-year-old cast-iron skillet, a Dutch Oven, and a chef's knife. Mechanised tools can be useful but you can go a long way without them: mixers, blenders, food processors, etc. Get a whetstone for your knives and learn how to use it (not necessarily in that order).

On tools: I've long longed for a KitchenAid stand mixer, and thought that this was essential for tasks such as bread baking. When I got into sourdough baking at the start of the Covid-19 pandemic, I found that an old ceramic bowl I'd received years ago from a friend was far more useful. What I did end up buying were a digital scale (about US$20), a dial thermometer (yeast is highly tempeature-sensitive), a bench knife (this resembles a spackling spatula, and in fact I bought and used one of those until I found a good bench knife), proofing containers, and a set of glass jars for my starter. The lessons being that 1) expensive mechanised equipment isn't necessary, 2) task-specific tools are, 3) measurement is often critical, and 4) you'll discover these over the course of your cooking/baking career. I still don't have that stand-mixer, though I'd kind of like to have one.

And if you don't like cooking for yourself, or want to minimise time spent doing so, find out what foods maximise both pleasure and nutrition whilst minimising time. The frozen foods section has vegetables which both won't rot and are often pre-sliced, which can be easily added to recipies, along with various meals and other options (check ingredents especially for trans fats, sugar, or other ingredients of concern). There's no shame in this.

Large-batch preparation (e.g., a stew for a few days), one-pot meals, stir-fry, learning how to make your own (sour)dough, and some basic frying, blanching, stewing, and baking skills will get you a long way. Combining fresh and prepared (frozen, shelf-stable, dried, ...) ingredients can give you a lot of flexibility.

Plan your weekly shopping around basic staples. If you can swing by a store for fresh produce and vegetables, that's a big bonus --- you can buy small quantities as you need them for immediate use.

And for the foods you want to eat less of: don't buy them. It's very hard to eat what's not available.

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Notes:

1. Michael Pollan, from In Defense of Food, which is a good book to add to your list, though perhaps not the best starting point.

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#5
This is what I did:

1. Set up a target (lose/gain/keep weight, etc)

2. Learned basics about macros, calories and my daily caloric intake

3. Picked up a diet or macro distribution. For example 45% carbs, 35% protein, 20% fat.

4. Used an app (tried many, ended up using Eat This Much) to figure out a meal plan. Basically created 3 meals and used the app to tune the macros to fit #3

5. Make it as simple as possible to do. Easy to prepare meals (salads, veggie medleys, chicken, etc). Buy things for a fee days and pre cut everything so it’s easy to put together

It took me a while to read a bit about it but now it’s really easy to do and adjust as I go.

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#6
From my experience, diets don't work. Everyone's physiology is different and I've created my own diet that is tailored to my needs, not the needs of some diet book author. One thing I need is plenty of sodium, since sodium is an essential nutrient, but bad in high amounts, so I limit my intake. I sweat a lot, so having essential electrolytes present in my system helps a lot. I also enjoy various nuts and seeds. Nuts help with fiber, aswell as balancing hormones, getting protein in, and getting in healthy fats. My favorite are walnuts and brazil nuts (which are high in selenium). Also I've learned to live with carbs since I can't do keto. Keto actually makes me feel tired, as opposed to the common advice that you're fueling your body the right way with keto, but as I said: everyone's different. Maybe it's my genetic makeup to prefer carbs. Although I do cut out sugary drinks as much as possible, and go for the 'zero' or 'sugar free' options when I can.

In terms of meals, I add seeds to everything (chia, flax, linseed, pumpkin seeds) etc I also add salad mix to everything, so a burger for me is quite leafy, and has plenty of onions. I vary my diet as much as possible, yet lately I have tried every dish imaginable and it's hard to seek out new food, but that's an enjoyable problem I like to solve. 'What new thing can I eat today?' is a common question for me.

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#7
Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants.

Given:

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/healthy-eating-...

I buy a week worth of salad components and make 10 salads for my partner and myself. No meat on these. Crumble of feta. Homemade oil/vinegar based dressing

Then I buy salmon or cod for a few meals, chicken for a few meals, then an optional "wildcard" that might require planning.

The rest is easy. Lots of fruits and veggies.

Don't be afraid to just do it. I learned mostly by trial and error and have ADHD as well.

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#8

Eat real food, not too much, mostly plants.[1] Figure out what you want / like to eat, and perhaps why (more on this below). Learn how to prepare that. Use that to guide your shopping. If you're not buying what you plan to / want to eat, you're going to have difficulty in preparing meals based on that. Learn basics of nutrition. There are numerous guides, I've found fitness / bodybuilding books useful as they're stro…

> for the foods you want to eat less of: don't buy them.

I have no willpower. Any semblance of self control is due to not buying junk in the first place.

+1 for Pollan

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#9
I think my microbiome decides that. I'm following my cravings (all but sugar) for 2-3 years now and it's going great.

When grocery shopping, I get those "oooh, I NEED that" urges when looking at certain veggies, fruit, meats, dairy products, breads/rice/groats and even spices. It's all changing over time but mostly with seasons.

In addition, I eat fermented stuff daily and supplement different probiotics: Saccharomyces boulardii in the morning, Lactobacillus helveticus, Lactobacillus rhamnosus and Bifidobacterium longum in the evening. Fermented stuff is a craving but supplements are researched. I also have ADHD.

I'm on 17:7 intermittent fasting with addition of ~41h fast every couple of weeks.

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#10
So fwiw I consider myself an athlete (ex-military, powerlifter, been lifting for 15 years) and I still struggle with nailing my weekly meal plan. It’s a nontrivial effort and organization problem.

There’s also no “best” way to eat without identifying what the metrics you’re optimizing for.

For me, I’ll oscillate between really motivated to be lower body fat vs not and that’s basically a function of roughly hitting macros (40% protein, 40% carbs, 20% fats) while staying below calorie counts (2500 on non lifting days, 3000 on lifting days).

It’s not exactly “right” but I can generally manage to hit it with 3 meals a day plus some snacks. If I can manage this without going out to eat during the week then I generally lose body fat over time because restaurant meals have a lot more calories and sodium than home prepped food.

The meal prep is more complicated on “high motivation weeks” but I work to maintain this as a baseline. Trader Joes is my grocery store btw.

Breakfast every day (pre lifting meal) 5 minutes of prep - Egg whites from a box with some shredded cheese + granola bar or handful of granola

Lunch every day: 5 minute prep - bread + Turkey slices + pepper Jack cheese + mustard and 3-4 rice cakes + seltzer water.

Snacks: Turkey Jerky or Yogurt

Dinner: 5 minute prep (I cheat slightly here) - Trader Joe’s prepared meals like a burrito or a Tzatziki wrap or a Caesar salad or a half a box of their chicken nuggets. I sometimes cook my own food but this is a good compromise between a fairly spartan homemade meal but not 1000 calorie restaurant meal.

Portions tend to matter more than you expect.

When in doubt, have a fixed rule like no carbs after 1pm and give yourself a free meal or day once a week for your sanity. It matters more for your life that you just start trying to eat better than to actually nail it off the bat.

Best of luck and feel free to reach out to me if you want to chat further! You’ll figure it out.

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