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Ask HN: What's it like transitioning from SWE to PM?

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I have been burnt out on software engineering for a little while now. I'm decent at it but I no longer seem to enjoy like I once did. I would like to stay in the software industry and have read that it's somewhat common for engineers to become Product Managers. I'm curious to hear how it feels going from being a Software Engineer to a Product Manager from an engineer's perspective.

Do you like writing docs? Was is hard making the transition? What was the biggest surprise?

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#2
My path was IC to Lead Engineer to PM. The Lead Engineer role really help me to get an idea what the next step would be. I liked it and made the transition about 7 years ago.

Staying in the same engineering domain when I transitioned into PM helps keep my technical curiosity engaged. I can do with less red tape and office politics, but it comes with the job, so it is unavoidable.

Hope this data point help you out.

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My path was IC to Lead Engineer to PM. The Lead Engineer role really help me to get an idea what the next step would be. I liked it and made the transition about 7 years ago. Staying in the same engineering domain when I transitioned into PM helps keep my technical curiosity engaged. I can do with less red tape and office politics, but it comes with the job, so it is unavoidable. Hope this data point help you out.

Yea that's helpful thanks. It sounds like overall that you're happy you made the transition?

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> What was the biggest surprise? PM's make significantly less & are significantly less in demand

Idk about significantly less. Based on some research I've done, they make less, but nothing that I can't live comfortably with. Also just because something is in demand doesn't mean that I enjoy doing it still.

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> What was the biggest surprise? PM's make significantly less & are significantly less in demand

Idk about significantly less. Based on some research I've done, they make less, but nothing that I can't live comfortably with. Also just because something is in demand doesn't mean that I enjoy doing it still.

You are competing with both engineers and the MBA pool for the same job. The number of PMs roles available are a fraction of the number of engineering opportunities. The good APM roles at top companies are saturated with applicants and the average ones pay a fraction of what software engineering pays.

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I work in big tech and made this transition. At first it was hard because I have very deep "I" shaped knowledge. I could make significant improvements to the product based on that expertise, but it doesn't last long for the demands of the job. I had to instead re-learn becoming more of a generalist with "T" shaped knowledge. Soft skills, communication, strategy, etc are all things you have to start becoming aware of.

I have seen many senior/staff/principal level people try making the switch and sadly it doesn't translate well because of this. Product work is significantly different than engineering work. Some PM 1-2 are actually more effective than late in career transitions that I've seen over my career.

If you think of work in three categories: Experts, Operators, Politicians. You are going to have to play each of these roles as a PM. Previously you could get away with doing just one as a SWE.

Although I love technical writing, the demands of the job do not allow one to do as much IC work like writing docs. The biggest surprise that will humble you is that nobody knows what they are doing including leadership teams on all levels. PMs have to lead with no role power and that is a challenge in itself if you don't have manager allies to do what's right for the product.

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At first I liked it a lot. I could be confident that the product we were building was worthwhile (unlike in engineering where I just had to take the PM's word for it).

But after a while I started to flounder. I couldn't figure out what we should build next and didn't know what to do. I had no training whatsoever. I tried to study PM methodologies but there are a million competing ones, a bit like self-help books. I don't really know how one becomes a good PM.

(Edit) To clarify I am no longer in this role. After that experience I've been working on creating my own startup, which is like SWE and PM combined, minus the salary.;-)

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At first I liked it a lot. I could be confident that the product we were building was worthwhile (unlike in engineering where I just had to take the PM's word for it). But after a while I started to flounder. I couldn't figure out what we should build next and didn't know what to do. I had no training whatsoever. I tried to study PM methodologies but there are a million competing ones, a bit like self-help books. I d…

Thanks for your honesty and insight. We need more people like you.

Re: Ask HN: What's it like transitioning from SWE to PM?

#10

My path was IC to Lead Engineer to PM. The Lead Engineer role really help me to get an idea what the next step would be. I liked it and made the transition about 7 years ago. Staying in the same engineering domain when I transitioned into PM helps keep my technical curiosity engaged. I can do with less red tape and office politics, but it comes with the job, so it is unavoidable. Hope this data point help you out.

How long did you stay in the lead engineer role for?
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