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Ask HN: How should I apply for U.S. jobs as a non-resident?

#1
I'm a software developer living and working abroad. I'm not an American citizen, but have lived in the U.S. for a better part of a decade as a student and obtained an advanced engineering degree from a top school while there.

Recently I've been thinking of applying for jobs in the US - the incredible variety of both startups and established companies seem like great places to learn and build oneself as a professional.

Probably relevant - I don't have a work VISA or a green card (I did apply for one), and I'm married + baby. I have several questions:

1. Where to start? This is a vague question, I know, but I'm looking for input from someone who'd be considering non-resident applicants: the checklist I should follow, planning ahead, etc.

2. Am I being realistic? I mean, as far as interviewing goes, this won't be simple to either side, even if I'm considered as a valid applicant.

3. Any other advice that's relevant to myself and others who might be thinking about or in the midst of doing just this?

Thanks!

Re: Ask HN: How should I apply for U.S. jobs as a non-resident?

#2
I don't know from experience, but since I've considered doing the same I'll write down what I know.

Assuming you aren't a Canadian citizen, the usual way is to apply for several companies who are willing to sponsor a H-1B visa and get an offer from one of them. Until a few years ago the number of applicants used to be way over the H-1B visa cap, so you had to go thru a lottery even if your application was OK. This was the number one reason I never even applied.

http://www.workpermit.com/us/us_h1b.htm

But recently the number of applicants has sharply decreased and is below the cap, so if you get the offer and pass all the requirements (have a college degree, etc) you should be able to get it.

One problem with H-1B is that if you lose or quit your job you have to get another job within 30 days. Personally I'd avoid early-stage startups because of that rule: I wouldn't want to be in a position to find a job that quickly.

Another possible problem is that your spouse can get a visa but cannot work (until you both get a green card, which might take a long time).

You should check out the websites of companies you'd like to work for and see if they do the H-1B thing. Also, check the list of top visa sponsors:

http://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/Top-Visa-Sponsor-2011.aspx

I hope this helps.

Re: Ask HN: How should I apply for U.S. jobs as a non-resident?

#3
It depends a lot where you are from and what citizenship do you have.

If you are from Canada, some countries in the UE and a few others, it is pretty easy. You can even apply for the work permission when arriving in the USA.

For other countries, you have to find a job an go through the H1-B process (expensive for the company) and that can take a few months. Waiting for the green card will take even longer (4 or 5 years).

So most people that I know that came to the USA, they got a job in a large company (microsoft, etc) that applied for their H1-B. After arriving to the US, they applied for the green card themselves.

hope it helps..

Re: Ask HN: How should I apply for U.S. jobs as a non-resident?

#4
Just be upfront about your situation in your cover letter. It'll save everyone time. Put it in your first introductory paragraph.

From my limited exposure, it does seem like most companies are willing to sponsor for the right candidate. Even small startups seem to have the capability to do so.

One thing to keep in mind is relocation costs. Larger companies will often help with this. Smaller companies might expect you to carry this burden yourself. You should figure out the cost and figure if you can cover it - if not, this is something else you should be upfront about.

Re: Ask HN: How should I apply for U.S. jobs as a non-resident?

#5
To answer your original question, you want to get an H1-B visa. This will require the extensive cooperation of your prospective employer, and is far likelier at a large, established business with established immigration processes. Depending on the marketability of your skills, though, it is a perfectly realistic thing to do.

But more broadly, one way or another the US is going to experience a massive fiscal contraction over the next few years, and holding down a job here might become difficult. Why the US in particular? (I'm in the US on an H1-B, and married to a USian whose parents need care, so I'm here for a while, but definitely worried about what the US is going to look like in five years time.) (Yes, I'm going for the marriage visa.)

Re: Ask HN: How should I apply for U.S. jobs as a non-resident?

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post #2

I don't know from experience, but since I've considered doing the same I'll write down what I know. Assuming you aren't a Canadian citizen, the usual way is to apply for several companies who are willing to sponsor a H-1B visa and get an offer from one of them. Until a few years ago the number of applicants used to be way over the H-1B visa cap, so you had to go thru a lottery even if your application was OK. This wa…

How is it different for Canadians?

Re: Ask HN: How should I apply for U.S. jobs as a non-resident?

#7
H5 visa is good option too. You have all rights as normal USA citizen and no restrictions.

It lasts for 3y and can be extended for another 3y (I'm not sure what happens after 6y total..).

If you are unemployed for 45days visa will terminate (and you need to leave USA), but renews automatically when you get a new employment (in 3y period).

See more here: http://www.kateraynor.com/z-visa/h5-visa.html

Re: Ask HN: How should I apply for U.S. jobs as a non-resident?

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post #7

H5 visa is good option too. You have all rights as normal USA citizen and no restrictions. It lasts for 3y and can be extended for another 3y (I'm not sure what happens after 6y total..). If you are unemployed for 45days visa will terminate (and you need to leave USA), but renews automatically when you get a new employment (in 3y period). See more here: http://www.kateraynor.com/z-visa/h5-visa.html

Never passed into law: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_America_and_Orderly_Immi...

Re: Ask HN: How should I apply for U.S. jobs as a non-resident?

#9
I watched non-US students and post docs battle this all through my time in graduate school. Our system here in the US is completely backwards when it comes to training, and then keeping, the world's brightest. Country of citizenship plays a role, as do soft skills that "mesh" with whatever US business culture you want to enter. If I was trying to do this, my introduction email letter would be along the lines of:

"Hi, I'm [name] and I want to work for [specific person/department] at [company]. I earned my [schooling] at [top school] and those [multiple # of years] are like gravity pulling my family to the US. [Something about returning to stay and having my baby grow up in the US]. I know that the visa process can be a pain, so let's chat about working for [company] and clearing the paperwork out of the way."

An introduction like this makes it clear that: 1. You're comfortable with colloquial English 2. You're here to stay and build 3. You have a family and aren't going to walk the aisle for a green card. 4. The visa process is one you're familiar with and will attack.

Good advice for all candidates to any job in the US, whether you are a citizen or not, is to get your resume in the hands of people that do hiring, and not human resources.

Re: Ask HN: How should I apply for U.S. jobs as a non-resident?

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post #2

I don't know from experience, but since I've considered doing the same I'll write down what I know. Assuming you aren't a Canadian citizen, the usual way is to apply for several companies who are willing to sponsor a H-1B visa and get an offer from one of them. Until a few years ago the number of applicants used to be way over the H-1B visa cap, so you had to go thru a lottery even if your application was OK. This wa…

How is it different for Canadians?

Canadians and Mexicans can apply for a NAFTA Work Visa (TN) that is simpler to get. You can apply for 1 to 3 years and you only need a letter from the employer validating that you have been accepted to work in a US company.
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