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Ask HN: Does your employer want you to state pronouns in email signature?

#1
Disclaimer: I am LGBT / neutral regarding the the use of pronouns.

I work for a large Tech US multinational. We are now being recommended (not compulsory) to include our preferred pronouns in our email signature going forward.

My case: my social circle is all politically left leaning to various degrees, however I don't think any of them use pronouns on social media. Most of my team were completely bemused when this was raised in staff as they genuinely did not know that stating pronouns was a thing.

I am interested to know peoples thoughts:

How widespread this is across industry? Do you think this is a good/bad initiative?

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#2
No and I wouldn't if they asked.

I don't think gender has any bearing on how one performs their job and to promote such a thing could do more harm than good.

When I see someone with their pronouns on twitter I usually don't engage with them. People who do this more often than not tend to make everything about gender politics where it would otherwise be irrelevant.

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#3
It's viewed by some as a political matter, but in reality, the intent is to ensure that everyone feels comfortable sharing their pronouns without making people feel awkward. So by mentioning my own (he/him), I'm enabling a non-cis person to share theirs without them feeling odd about it, which boosts inclusivity.

That's the intent. I haven't done it yet (I probably should), but while I don't see neutrality towards stating pronouns in the following manner, I do see resistance from people around stating pronouns as being potentially motivated by bias. Inclusiveness boosts work output from everyone, and assuming peoples' pronouns is a rapid way to alienate a measurable population of workers to a degree that could impact their success.

Of the three east coast firms I've worked in the last six years, I've seen it recommended at two. I've seen it dissuaded at zero.

Edit: made the change on HN. I did it on Twitter some time ago apparently. It's also interesting watching the points swing on this. I suspect it's equivalent to corona masking in a way: common usage of pronouns reduces exposure to hatred by non-cis folk much the way usage of masks reduces exposure to covid-19 and complications by vulnerable folk.

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#5
Wow that is amazing.

> How widespread this is across industry?

Not very widespread.

> Do you think this is a good/bad initiative?

Extremely bad initiative. It would seriously make me question whether or not I would want to stay at that employer. Of course I wouldn't set any pronouns and refuse it if they required it.

I am eagerly waiting for the ultra left-leaning HN crowd to downvote me to oblivion!

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#6
I work with two small non-tech consultancies. For one, some of us are doing this (informally) with support from management. In emails signature, zoom calls, mural/miro screennames etc.

For another, we do this internally but not externally. We work with a tremendously, broad spectrum of people to generate social good. Some of these stakeholders would not receive this well, but at the same time actively invest time and money on key common areas (be it women's health to child mental health).

So in this organization, I think we would have to think throughly about the potential to alienate some stakeholders that sets us back on other social good activities.

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#7
My company encourages everyone to create an "operating manual" that includes things like preferred pronouns. Not required at all, but helpful to avoid missteps.

Since the pronoun movement I've found myself avoiding pronouns altogether. For example instead of "team, welcome Jane. She is our new lead designer. She previously worked at acme corp" I would say "team, welcome our new lead designer Jane who previously worked at acme corp"

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#8
My current view is that I do not give pronouns as I assume an interlocutor will use a good-faith assumption, and I react appropriately if they are wrong. It helps that I have a traditionally-male forename. I do not conflate others' pronouns with their sexual orientations or preferences as they are rarely any of my business.

If I'm asked I am not uncomfortable to state my pronouns and I consider such a question to be perfectly cromulent.

If someone proffers pronouns I take great care in using them correctly, as I do the spelling of their name and how they express any title they may have. What's in a name? Respect is part of the answer.

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