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Ask HN: Are Frameworks the Way to Go?

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Post by alum »

As both languages are new to me, I completed tutorials, scanned through a couple of books on the Safari Books Online site regarding both Ruby and Python (day job is .NET work). Though both were nice, I enjoyed Python a little more.

I have an idea for a website that I think may be able to help folks out a bit, it could be considered a startup I suppose, but ultimately I am aiming to gain ‘real’ experience in the language that may be applicable in becoming a developer for a startup.

Which leads me to my questions, are frameworks ultimately the way to go and are most startups using frameworks? Also, both django and pylons are both appealing; I won’t ask a broad question like which one is better, but simply ask for any advice for selecting one instead of the other (or another one that I may have overlooked)?

Thanks.

Re: Ask HN: Are Frameworks the Way to Go?

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Post by mechanical_fish »

It all depends on what you're trying to build.

If your application fits well into (e.g.) Drupal or Wordpress it might not make sense to reinvent those wheels.

If you're mostly trying to educate yourself Ruby or Python will be great. Building tiny sites or individual modules without a framework is educational, but, yes, generally people gravitate toward frameworks or modular systems once they need productivity.

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Post by edw519 »

You answered your own question when you said, "both languages are new to me".

Then you should not be using a framework just yet.

Sure, a framework may speed your app along, but at what cost? At this point, you should be more concerned with getting a solid grounding in your technology of choice. That means coding as close to native mode as possible.

Once you have spent time "in the trenches" and even "suffered" a little, you'll have a much clearer picture of exactly why you may need a framework. Then you'll be in a much better position to evaluate which one is best for you.

In the meantime, have as much fun as you can.

Re: Ask HN: Are Frameworks the Way to Go?

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Post by bdotdub »

edw519 wrote: post #5

You answered your own question when you said, "both languages are new to me". Then you should not be using a framework just yet. Sure, a framework may speed your app along, but at what cost? At this point, you should be more concerned with getting a solid grounding in your technology of choice. That means coding as close to native mode as possible. Once you have spent time "in the trenches" and even "suffered" a litt…

Well, if it's not a very serious project, why not try using something you've never used before. Side projects are great opportunities to learn and grow as a developer, so my advice is to not let unfamiliarity of a language hold you back.

That said, I agree that frameworks are not a silver bullet by any means. There are many problems where frameworks are appropriate, and there are many where they aren't

Re: Ask HN: Are Frameworks the Way to Go?

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Post by richcollins »

In my opinion, you should only use a framework if you have a deep understanding of how it will benefit the specific problem you are trying to solve.

Good frameworks have a sweet spot. If you are outside of the sweet spot, then you will probably be better served writing code specific to your application. When you write your own solution for your specific problem, it is almost always smaller, faster and more flexible.

Bad frameworks try to be everything to everyone. Don't even consider a bloated, "general" solution.

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