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Ask HN: How do you guys deal with laziness?

#1
Hello everyone!

I usually think of myself as a curious, open-minded person. When I think about things they are all sounds interesting to me, especially if they are connected to technology.

Unfortunatelly, the last week shows that I just cannot win with my laziness. I spend all the time lurking on the internet or watching youtube vides. I've tried ti blocked time-wasting pages (like 9gag/reddit/etc.) but it clearly didn't help at all. I have a lot of books and articles to read, topics to explore, projects to finish but every time when I'm trying to dig into it I end up feeling tired and resigned. It really makes me worry about myself, because I'm wasting so much time!

What can I do to improve my attitude toward useful areas of my life and convince myself to stop wasting time?

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#2
> What can I do to improve my attitude toward useful areas of my life and convince myself to stop wasting time?

I've been lucky since about 25 and haven't had major bouts of laziness since.

My solution before 25? Methylphenidate Hydrochloride. I wish that wasn't the answer, but it helped.

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#3
I guess you already know some common strategies such as breaking the challenges ahead into small, manageable tasks and making sure you're laziness is not fatigue which may come from a bad diet or lack of exercise (especially the latter).

I don't think you're going to find a helpful answer here because in the end, even asking that question on HN might be a form of procrastination.

What I recommend is thinking hard about yourself: What are your goals? What motivates you? What are you afraid of? What thinks make you enter "the flow" and bring you in the right mood to be productive (e.g. change of scenery)?

Finally, a very personal suggestion which usually receives many downvotes: At least for me, there is a certain kind of movie which really makes me want to get things done. These movies are mostly documentaries and they usually show how other people get things done and actively do stuff. Such movies might include "The Social Network" or "The Brink" (no matter what you think of Steve Bannon - you actually see him being active in the movie).

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#4
What helps me is a mild anti-depressant. Ask your Dr to proscribe something cheap and mild. Coffee or tea helps a little but something a little stronger could help a lot. I speak from personal experience. It also helps to determine the very next step necessary to get something done. Be extremely explicit about that step. There is a vague "fear of the unknown" acting here.

Good luck

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#5
Dealt with sleep/concentration issues for over a decade. Some anecdotes:

- No caffeine after 1/2/3PM (even "sleep-friendly" tea throws me off)

- Melatonin / Sleep aids: See if they work for you

- Don't drink before bed (because it means a bathroom break in the middle of the night) [1]

- If you do wake up in the middle of the night, a snack may help. (https://www.sleepfoundation.org/articles/food-and-drink-prom...). Though I don't know, I've tried Chamomile tea and it keeps me up.

- Sleep study. Screen for sleep apnea. You may be able to get a CPAP machine depending on insurance.

- Find a psychiatrist to screen for adult ADD/ADHD.

- Consider a single monitor, ultra wide screen, and tiling/snapping window. Always have your content you need to get done open.

- Take a few days to clean and unclutter stuff. It takes an upfront emotional toll to get rid of stuff (loss aversion), but most stuff you forget. Junk is burdensome on the mind.

- A nice podcast on procrastination: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWFWsR0iPqI

- Dietary: Any sensitivities? Consider simplifying your diet to be very plain (cut carbs?) and experiment. I do keto. Simple carbs can impact me heavily!

- Bed: Do you have a comfy bed frame? Blankey? Pillow? Latex pillows are nice. I like soft pillows and hard mattresses. Amazon has cheap, high quality bed frames and mattresses-in-a-box, and I'm a big guy. My bed setup is ~$350 all included, with a comfy comfy pillow. Walmart has mattress-in-a-box.

[1] my hypothesis is for certain people, when they wake up at night, go to the bathroom, it's enough excitement to make it hard to go back to bed.

Subsystems to fix: Unclutter physical possessions, Streamline info spaces (computer workflows, email), avoid stimulants in afternoon / evening. Check for sleep apnea and ADD/ADHD.

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#6
Backlog, scope, and deadlines.

- Backlog:

>When I think about things they are all sounds interesting to me, especially if they are connected to technology.

Writing ideas down with a timestamp "frees" up your head, reduces overwhelm, and makes ideas that feel grandiose in the fog of your mind look puny. Writing down ideas reveals the adjacent possible, the most urgent, and the most actionable.

I use taskwarrior with a "+musing" tag. Many times some ideas will morph and get combined with others, and make their way into product.

Writing ideas down allows you to be lazily productive and gives you perspective.

- Scope:

>I have a lot of books and articles to read, topics to explore, projects to finish but every time when I'm trying to dig into it I end up feeling tired and resigned.

You are overwhelmed. Depending on context, some times call for having one book or one article to read, one topic to explore, one project to finish.

Other times benefit from having five books open and cross referencing/checking/complementing.

It appears you need at least one win and so having one book to read one page at a time may help. The scope is one page, then another, then another. That said, I wouldn't feel guilty about dropping a book like a hot rock. I will not waste life on a lousy book I started reading for the sake of discipline. Not all books are equal, that's why I curate. I get references to content from content I respect and like, not from a ready-made best selling list. This increases the odds of reading books I start.

- Deadlines:

>I've tried ti blocked time-wasting pages (like 9gag/reddit/etc.)

Given two processes competing for the same reagents or resources, making one of them efficient can make it consume resources faster than the other. One resource is time, one process is productive, the other is unproductive; both compete for time.

Deadlines increase focus to the point you will not need to force yourself to avoid distractions, you will simply not have enough time because you spent it on more useful things.

Sometimes I'll say: this hour, I'll read this article and will do this only. I'll refactor this sub-system by end-of day. I'll increase code coverage by X% in one day.

I find it good to set agressive deadlines. Whenever I say "it'll probably take X" I usually halve it and feel a "mini-panic" that shows I'm not confident I can do it by that deadline. Not feeling a mini-panic means I'm comfortable with the allocated time, which means I'm either clueless and can't estimate, or that I'm getting complacent.

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#7
I won't repeat most of the common advice - sleep, diet, drugs, etc. But let's go into willpower.

Willpower is like a muscle. There are 3 types: will (trying to do something, like exercise), won't (avoiding something like 9GAG), and want (being driven by a higher purpose).

Dopamine fuels want. Dopamine makes you do things, no matter how painful. It starts you off with arousal and excitement, and then forces you to finish, using anxiety. But if you don't want anything badly enough, it grasps nearby things - memes, porn, emptying your inbox.

One cure is to spend a little time, maybe 10 minutes a day (or before bed) thinking about what you really want. Keep aligning that. Watch motivational videos. You'll be high on dopamine when you start procrastinating, and if you can master redirecting it towards something you actually want, that makes you very productive.

The other treatment is to bolster up your will/won't power enough to keep you off Reddit and start working. Willpower is like a muscle. Exercise strengthens it. Overtraining kills it. I find what works is tiny reps. Find the smallest thing to train your will and won't power. What worked for me was trying to walk faster and putting cookies on my desk and trying not to eat them. This trains your brain not to give in.

One big, completely unintuitive thing you can do is to not feel bad about yourself. Feeling bad saps your willpower. Which makes you indulge. Which makes you feel worse.

A hack around that is to simply track how many times you've indulged. Just observe. And don't try to reduce it. Forcing yourself to reduce it leads to a willpower trap, where you'll keep failing week by week, try to make up for it, making the gap from reality bigger and making you feel worse. What worked for me is try to maintain the number... it naturally went from 11/week to 2/week to 1 the next week. If you tell yourself you'll watch Reddit 4 hours a day, it starts to feel less appealing.

In the short term, you can also try to hold off on an impulse. We are wired to give in to instant gratification. Give yourself 10 minutes before indulging, and after that 10 minutes do it if you still want to. Even if you fail, it trains up your willpower. This is a big part of how Pomodoro works.

A lot of this is taken from the book Maximum Willpower, by Dr. K. McGonigal. A lot of advice on the Internet and books is incomplete and conflicting, based on anecdotes on what's worked for someone. It's good to reward yourself, but also bad. You can slog through it, but there's a limit and a cost to it. Hacks like dopamine suppression works, but overdo it and you'll lose interest in everything. The book covers most of the scenarios, and generally it's good to look to psychologists on advice on how to hack your brain.

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#8
post #5

Dealt with sleep/concentration issues for over a decade. Some anecdotes: - No caffeine after 1/2/3PM (even "sleep-friendly" tea throws me off) - Melatonin / Sleep aids: See if they work for you - Don't drink before bed (because it means a bathroom break in the middle of the night) [1] - If you do wake up in the middle of the night, a snack may help. ( https://www.sleepfoundation.org/articles/food-and-drink-prom... ).…

Great items to throw out there. Getting the clutter out of my workspace and moving to one big monitor has bee huge for me. Just makes you focus on work. I don’t allow myself to do distracting things when in my workspace. Make sure to take breaks and walk away, then you can check whatever online vices.
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