Ask HN: Is it just me or does the US look really broken?

#1

Post by crystalarchives » Sat, Feb 19, 2011, 5:43 PM UTC

I never read the frontpage of Hacker News, only news.ycombinator.com/best in order to save time.

However, I've been finding it more and more depressing lately. Is it just me, or does it seem like America is getting worse and worse?

I'm a US citizen currently in Shanghai and it's been almost a year since I've been home so I don't know how bad it is on the ground, but from the news it looks horrible and only going downhill...

From the TSA http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/fngfo/why_i_stopped_travelling_to_the_us_and_i_largely/

To the VC world http://www.pehub.com/96111/its-not-a-bubble-people-its-a-pyramid-scheme/

To the government shutting down sites http://torrentfreak.com/u-s-government-shuts-down-84000-websites-by-mistake-110216/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+Torrentfreak+(Torrentfreak)

To IP laws http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2011021108493059

To academia http://blog.devicerandom.org/2011/02/18/getting-a-life/

More importantly, there doesn't seem to be anyone doing anything about these issues. Khan Academy and the Nissan Leaf seem to be the only positive posts. Just wondering what other people think.

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or does the US look really broken?

#2

Post by va_coder » Sat, Feb 19, 2011, 5:46 PM UTC

I just took a walk on a sunny day to the bookstore to browse the magazine rack, stopped by the coffee shop to get a Latte and bought a cupcake at the new bakeshop.

Things are pretty awesome in the U.S. of A as far as I'm concerned.

Oh and last year I attended John Stewart's Restore Sanity gathering at the mall (and I wasn't shot at!)

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or does the US look really broken?

#3

Post by tshtf » Sat, Feb 19, 2011, 5:48 PM UTC

If HN were around 20, 30, or even 100 years ago, there would probably be a similar proportion of these stories. Perhaps things are getting worse, but I doubt the rate of change is changing.

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or does the US look really broken?

#4

Post by [deleted] » Sat, Feb 19, 2011, 6:17 PM UTC

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#5

Post by GHFigs » Sat, Feb 19, 2011, 6:50 PM UTC

Hacker News and submission-driven news sites in general are a way of bringing a constant stream of exceptional things to your attention. They are not a good cross-section of what's going on the world because almost everything that's going on isn't exceptional. Millions of Americans felt love yesterday. That's not Hacker News.

If you're actually getting depressed by this (and you wouldn't be the first) then you need to stop and take stock of the real world through your real senses and think about how much of your life you want to burn up on things that don't actually involve you or that you can't or won't do anything about. You have to ask yourself how many of those things you actually care about personally vs. how many are just sensory input you're just reacting to because it's been put in front of you. If you care, you can do something. If you don't, you can turn off the input.

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or does the US look really broken?

#6

Post by bpodgursky » Sat, Feb 19, 2011, 6:59 PM UTC

News in the US will always be somewhat sensationalist and only expose the problems, but this is a good thing--there are a lot of regimes out there where things look bright and shiny on the surface, but only because the problems are hidden and media is suppressed.

I'm not saying that everything on that list isn't a problem, but at least they're getting attention and people are looking at them. We still have a free (if somewhat immature) media, and we shouldn't forget that there's a huge selection bias in what makes it to the news.

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or does the US look really broken?

#7

Post by notahacker » Sat, Feb 19, 2011, 8:01 PM UTC

For perspective, here's the most popular recent articles on China: http://searchyc.com/china?sort=by_points Companies pulling out, being blocked, hacking, plagiarism, human rights violations, book banning, even making T-shirts there seems to be a bad idea due to rising labour costs and a shortage of yarn... positives: a pretty cool but unworkable giant tram concept

Doubt things are going too badly for you in Shanghai though?

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or does the US look really broken?

#8

Post by sabj » Sat, Feb 19, 2011, 9:00 PM UTC

I think that a large part of your reaction may be that since you are away from home, you only have exposure to the more sensational / noteworthy news, which will tend to not reflect great things about what's going on.

I also found that when I was in China for a while in 2009, the 12 hour time different made America feel very, very far away, and things seemed even stranger and weirder as a result - but maybe that was just me. It made things seem feel out of touch not only by distance, but time as well.

These caveats aside, there are plenty of awful things going on in the USA right now, and huge systemic problems which are unfortunately not being approached in serious fashions. This being said, it's level of 'broken-ness' is probably not particularly greater than it was, say, last year, or the year before.

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or does the US look really broken?

#9

Post by proexploit » Sat, Feb 19, 2011, 10:54 PM UTC

Bad things get all the publicity. If something is going well and people are content, it's just "normal" and no one is going to write articles about it. Slightly bad things are enough to get news attention. You'll always see more negative news than positive.

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or does the US look really broken?

#10

Post by atgm » Sat, Feb 19, 2011, 11:31 PM UTC

I live in Japan and have the same problem, to some extent. News coming out of America is largely negative. But then again, news in general is largely negative -- negative sells. It's not just how we rate things, but also what people choose to report.

When I want to sigh and get depressed about America, I look at the news that I see about Japan and that reminds me that people only really want to report/read about the worst/weirdest of a country, really. Japan isn't all herbivorous otaku, whale killers, and child molesters. America isn't all idiocracy, TSA gropers, and embezzlers.

Another way to look at it is that every single American startup post or Ask HN you see here is a positive post -- these are people trying to live the American dream and pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Idealized? Maybe. But it's certainly not negative.