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Ask HN: Starting Your Own LLC?

#1
I want to start my firm in the USA to channelize my creative endeavors. What are the nuts and bolts of starting your own firm? I can register an LLC online, but what else should I know? e.g Filing taxes, choosing between different corporations etc. What did you wish you knew , when you started yours? What are some good resources ?

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One lead-in question: are you in the USA? If not, most advice is going to be fraught as hell. Assuming you are: this is a well-paved path these days.

A few things as they come to mind (and, disclaimer, I am not an expert, I've just done this before):

- Any advice you read here, including mine, should be immediately superceded by that of your tax professional or your lawyer. If you do not have a tax professional, I strongly advise at least getting a consult even if you elect to do your taxes yourself (and if you're a single-member LLC, see further down, this is not unreasonable). It is not merely a "strongly advise" to have a lawyer on tap. Get a lawyer and make sure they're the kind of lawyer who is comfortable telling you when you are a dumbass. That kind of lawyer is invaluable.

- Corporations and LLCs are not the same thing. You can elect, as an LLC, to be taxed as a corporate entity, but that's a question between you, your deity of choice, and your tax professional (who I encourage you to think of, in this venue, as your deity of choice).

- IANAL, IANYL, and TINLA, but you will notice that many don't-dig-for-gold-sell-shovels outfits like Clerky will tell you you want to be a C-Corp because, as their website says, it's the best for "high growth startups". I assume you are not a "high growth startup". I would look at LLCs long before I looked at a C-Corp and an S-Corp long before a C-Corp. Minimize your hassles as best you can because otherwise it'll bite you in the ass later; IMO and IME, this means "default to an LLC".

- Formation is a moderate pain in the ass. I used Harvard Business Services for registration and continue to use them for registered agent services. No relationship, they just work fine and I don't have to think about it much. https://www.delawareinc.com

- Single-member LLCs are the easiest way to manage your stuff, if not the most tax-advantaged way. (I do this because I optimize for simplicity.) Effectively you just file a Schedule C with your personal income taxes.

- Once you've formed, get an EIN immediately. You can do it online, it takes like ten seconds. It will help with the next point.

- Regardless of how you do it, it is incumbent upon you to do some real careful management of funds. The second you get that LLC, go to your bank and open a business checking account. Route everything business-related through it. Eventually you will, if you're successful, want to take money out and that's fine--but having this structure to start will make it a lot easier to, if in the worst case, demonstrate enough separation to retain your limited liability if you get sued into the ground.

- Relatedly, I like QuickBooks Self-Employed for keeping track of revenue and expenses. It's free if you use TurboTax.

- If you're successful, get ready to file taxes quarterly. QuickBooks Self-Employed has helped me deal with that stuff, too, and if you make enough to have to file quarterly then it'll help you with reminders, etc. about that.

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post #2

The Clerky handbook is worth a read: https://handbook.clerky.com/ They offer services for incorporation too. Never used them so cannot speak about their service level. Seems to be a preferred choice for some YC startups. Then of course there is LegalZoom. They are around since 2001.

I've skimmed through it, and it's a fine guide if you're starting a traditional startup that plans to raise money.

If you're starting any other kind of business it's a little over kill.

Generally registering an LLC, applying for a business license and then requesting a Tax ID number from the IRS is really all you need for a web based business of 1 person.

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The Clerky handbook is worth a read: https://handbook.clerky.com/ They offer services for incorporation too. Never used them so cannot speak about their service level. Seems to be a preferred choice for some YC startups. Then of course there is LegalZoom. They are around since 2001.

The OP is not talking about starting an investor-bait C-Corp, though. That's what Clerky specializes in.

Unless there's something not mentioned in the OP, he doesn't need a board, he doesn't need shares, he doesn't have a partner. He needs a disregarded entity.

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#7
I hate how this information is so spread out so I will try to condense this:

(1) Register your domain name and setup email (GSuite is simple enough). I put this first, because it is nice to have all the business communications actually going to the business email, so you don't start intermixing with your personal email.

(2) Next, I'd recommend hiring a local lawyer for the LLC filing and paperwork, not because you can't do it yourself, but because they can do it a lot faster and will help find any mistakes throughout the entire process. (they do this all the time) You will basically end up using them to file the Articles of Organization, act as your registered agent (avoids having to put your name and address directly on file with the SoS office), and they typically have boiler plate Operating Agreements that you can use to bootstrap your own.

(3) Next, you (or your lawyer) need to file Articles of Organization with the Secretary of State's office and pay the filing fee. (Normally $100 or so) You'll typically have to renew this registration annually. Your lawyer can take care of it.

(4) You then need to decide how you will be taxed. Your basic choices are to be taxed like a sole proprietorship or as an S Corp. I would choose S corp, so that you can save on taxes. When you go this route you will select a "reasonable salary" for yourself to be paid. Anything you earn above and beyond your reasonable salary you can take as a distribution from the company, which is not subject to self-employment taxes. If you go the sole proprietor route it is simpler (you report income on your schedule c for the IRS), but everything is subject to self-employment taxes.

(5) If going the S Corp route you will want to obtain an FEIN(https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employe...) and file form 2553 with the IRS for the subchapter S election. You have a limited window to do this, so do it shortly after filing the Articles of Organization. If you have an accountant they can assist you or do this for you. (6) Next I'd recommend getting a payroll company to run your payroll if you've gone the S Corp route. (Something like Square Payroll https://squareup.com/payroll/) They take care of filing all the required forms with your state and will make it really easy for you should you ever add additional employees beyond yourself. What are some of these forms? They vary by state, but to give you an idea here is a look at the items for the state of Oklahoma (https://squareup.com/help/us/en/article/6319?utm_medium=web&...):

- Withholding Payment Coupon (WTH 10004)

- Wage Withholding Tax Return (WTH 10001)

- Transmittal of Wage and Tax Statements (OK W-3)

- Wage and Tax Statement (W-2)

- Employer's Quarterly Contribution Report (OES-3)

- New Hire Report

(7) This leads to the next item, which is you likely need to register for a state tax ID and a state unemployment insurance ID and then input those IDs into your payroll provider's system. Again this varies by state, but normally each state has some analog of this.

(8) Make sure you create an Operating Agreement. It is an important governance document for your LLC. Your lawyer can help bootstrap you here or you can find samples online. Although, not strictly required it is an important document in establishing your LLC as a legitimate LLC and not just an extension of yourself. It helps prevent "piercing of the corporate veil" in instances where you might be sued. (i.e. keeping your personal assets protected in the event of a lawsuit)

(9) Hire an accountant (if you haven't already) to handle the K-1s and taxes of the LLC. This saves you time and potential penalties that you might run into in making a mistake with filing.

(10) Use some software like Quickbooks Online or similar to track your accounting. Bonus here if your payroll feeds directly into your accounting software.

(11) Get a Small Business Credit Card like this one from AMEX (https://www.americanexpress.com/us/credit-cards/business/bus...). You are going to have expenses and you might as well get some points while you're at it. Also, easier to track expenses. The bonus with these too is if you add employees then their travel expenses are tracked and you get the points for them as well.

That's all the basics to get the LLC operational. Obviously there are things like business plans, industry specific compliance regulations and certifications(not typical of software companies though), health insurance, etc., but this is a basic list to meet the requirements of the federal and state government. Good luck!

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#9
i don't have any experience with Stripe Atlas. here are the highlights of their offering.

Enables founders to assign relevant IP to the company at formation, formalizing ownership of key technology.

Is designed to make conversion to a C Corporation as simple as possible. (We can connect Stripe Atlas users to a lawyer to manage the conversion process with discounted, flat-rate packages).

Provides a simplified process for adding members after formation.

Is organized in Delaware, the jurisdiction of choice for many new LLCs.

https://stripe.com/blog/atlas-llc

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#10
Single member LLC wasn’t as hard as I thought to setup. 100 bucks online in Oregon, near instant approval too. Make sure you sign up with the IRS for an EIN.

Signed up for Azlo just recently after keeping money in my personal, no big deal just makes taxes a little harder.

Make sure you keep records of everything. Get yourself a good receipt scanner that does OCR, like neat. Keep the physicals around too.

I’m not bothering with a lawyer, CPA until I start having a lot more cash flow. Right now it’s enough for me to manage, but I will get professionals to manage in the future.

One thing I wish I did was not use my residence as the address. Oh well, too late for that.

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