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Ask HN: Paying for University as an undocumented student

#1
Hey HN,

I've been living in the United States since the age of 2, but I was actually born Saudi Arabia. During my sophomore year in high school my parents clued me in on the fact that they never actually got me my citizenship, and that I only had an overstayed tourist visa.

But things became really problematic when I graduated and realized that my illegal status makes me ineligible for all of the scholarships I earned (one in particular is a full ride Floridian scholarship) and would force me to pay out of state tuition.

So with no way to pay for school, I took a gap year which I'm four months into. I've been supplementing this off time with OCW computer science lecture videos and a ton of self study; however, everything's much more arduous and lonely than studying in a college environment and I don't want to fall behind.

I've come up with two solutions: apply to universities in Canada and Europe and hopefully be admitted to one of those countries on a student visa or stick it out here and find a way to pay for school. So I'm coming to you, HN, for some advice on how I could possibly pay for school. Are there private, merit based scholarships I could earn? Could I work a job with only a ITIN and no SSN? Is there a way I can petition for in-state tuition?

Please, any advice would help me out.

edit: I realize, on paper, I'm a criminal. I really don't see it that way, and I'd like to try everything I can to stay in the United States. I also cannot apply for citizenship with an overstayed visa and leaving the country would prevent my reentry for 10 years; something I'm trying to avoid.

edit 2: I'm here to talk about how to pay out of state tuition, not my status. For those who are curious, here are the only options I have when it comes to dealing with my status: get married, leave the country and be barred from reentry for 10 years, or wait for reform. So my stopping being a "criminal" is not a matter of choice or lack of will.

Re: Ask HN: Paying for University as an undocumented student

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post #2

If you're not legally entitled to be in the US, then get the fuck out of the US.

Not as simple as that, man. I'm completely American, but I'm missing a piece of bureaucracy that a broken immigration system won't give me.

I don't speak Arabic, I have no memories of Saudi Arabia, and I thought I was American for a long time. I didn't commit a crime on purpose, and worse there's no way to atone for it except for reform or leaving and being barred from my home country.

I know I can leave, but I want to try everything I'm able to and stay in the US.

Re: Ask HN: Paying for University as an undocumented student

#4
post #2

If you're not legally entitled to be in the US, then get the fuck out of the US.

Not as simple as that, man. I'm completely American, but I'm missing a piece of bureaucracy that a broken immigration system won't give me. I don't speak Arabic, I have no memories of Saudi Arabia, and I thought I was American for a long time. I didn't commit a crime on purpose, and worse there's no way to atone for it except for reform or leaving and being barred from my home country. I know I can leave, but I want…

Well, life is tough.

Don't come asking me for advice on how to break the law.

Re: Ask HN: Paying for University as an undocumented student

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post #5

Talk to an immigration lawyer, ASAP. Drop me an email if you need one. You're in a tough spot, without a US passport even Europe/Canada will be hard. You could just go to a cheaper college but why risk it?

I have talked to a lawyer and read USCIS's documentation, and fully understand my options (marriage, barred from reentry, or wait for reform.) However, if you know a good lawyer, I'm not resistant to a second or third opinion.

That's worrying though -- would my history in the US negatively affect me overseas?

Re: Ask HN: Paying for University as an undocumented student

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post #5

Talk to an immigration lawyer, ASAP. Drop me an email if you need one. You're in a tough spot, without a US passport even Europe/Canada will be hard. You could just go to a cheaper college but why risk it?

I have talked to a lawyer and read USCIS's documentation, and fully understand my options (marriage, barred from reentry, or wait for reform.) However, if you know a good lawyer, I'm not resistant to a second or third opinion. That's worrying though -- would my history in the US negatively affect me overseas?

Yeah, those options seem right to me, but IANAL.

If you get deported it will most likely affect your visa situation for Canada/Europe, if you leave voluntarily, maybe not. Honestly, The Internet is a bad place to ask for legal advice.

Re: Ask HN: Paying for University as an undocumented student

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have talked to a lawyer and read USCIS's documentation, and fully understand my options (marriage, barred from reentry, or wait for reform.) However, if you know a good lawyer, I'm not resistant to a second or third opinion. That's worrying though -- would my history in the US negatively affect me overseas?

Yeah, those options seem right to me, but IANAL. If you get deported it will most likely affect your visa situation for Canada/Europe, if you leave voluntarily, maybe not. Honestly, The Internet is a bad place to ask for legal advice.

You're right, but I was looking for some hidden scholarships or less obvious methods for paying out of state tuition. I'm also pretty open about my situation, since I know ICE doesn't really deport (almost)law abiding people.

Re: Ask HN: Paying for University as an undocumented student

#9
Sorry to hear that. Even not being born here, you are as american as anyone else and since you came when you were only 2, you didn't do anything wrong as well.

However, the law is not on your side... I wish they had done part of the immigration reform to deal with people on your situation. I suggest talking to a lawyer asap to see what you can do. You could even apply as a refugee, since you don't speak arabic and coming back to your home country could put you in risk...

thanks,

Re: Ask HN: Paying for University as an undocumented student

#10
post #2

If you're not legally entitled to be in the US, then get the fuck out of the US.

If a 2 year-old is mature enough to be capable of illegally overstaying a visa on their own free will and understand the consequences, then 3 year-olds should be able to vote and 4 year-olds should be able to go to jail for a lifetime. He was 2. He shouldn't pay for a crime his parents committed.
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