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Ask HN: My country is getting worse. Where to go?

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I am 20 y.o, I live in Indonesia. I don't know what's going on with my country, but it looks like everything is getting worse. I don't see a bright future here, so I am looking for a better country. I am willing to move abroad.

The problems are, I don't know where to go, and how much does it cost. Right now, I have around $1,000 in my bank account. It's all the money that I save from my job.

Unfortunately, I don't have any degree. I am a high school graduate. But I'm good at design and good enough at front-end dev. I am also into fitness, I workout alot, mostly calisthenics.

I'm thinking about to move to Canada or Japan. But I don't think I have the money. Probably some of you can help me. I just want to get out. Where to go? Thank you!

Re: Ask HN: My country is getting worse. Where to go?

#2
You probably read a lot about that 90% of the start-ups fail. So consider your options and propabilities of success.

a) Try to legally migrate to a first world country. Given your background the chances are very slim. Your best chance is probably to find a western partner willing to marry you.

b) Illegally migrate to another country. This is very difficult for the countries you mentioned because you have to cross an ocean. Illegal immigration into Europe is possible but 1,000 USD is not enough. From what I read you would need about 10,000 USD. It also comes with certain risks. About 0.1-3% of the migrants die during the journey depending on the route. Many get abused on the way. Do you want to play this kind of Russian roulette? Assuming that you have the money and you are willing to take the risk, your chances are not that bad, probably above 30% to make it within a year. If you make it, a lot of things will be better, but a lot of other things will be much worse than you expect. Your chances to be better off than the median are very slim. Most likely you will be sourended by 90% people being better off than you. If you work hard, chances for your children are much better though.

c) Migrate within your country to a better comunity. This should be feasable, even though you seem to have only about a few month of savings. Maybe you find a better comunity in your own country? This has many advantages over above options. You stay within your own language and culture, you can continue to use your existing network and you can easily reverse your move if the new community turns out worse than expected. I would assume, this option has the highest success rage. If you succeed here another option may open at a later point with higher success probabilities.

Re: Ask HN: My country is getting worse. Where to go?

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You probably read a lot about that 90% of the start-ups fail. So consider your options and propabilities of success. a) Try to legally migrate to a first world country. Given your background the chances are very slim. Your best chance is probably to find a western partner willing to marry you. b) Illegally migrate to another country. This is very difficult for the countries you mentioned because you have to cross an…

I am not thinking about starting a business or founding start-up. I just want to move to a better place. I honestly don't like my country.

> b) Illegally migrate to another country.

Well, I don't want to break the law. If I have a chance I want to move legally. But as you can say, given my background the chances are very slim.

> c) Migrate within your country to a better comunity. ... If you succeed here another option may open at a later point with higher success probabilities.

I think this is what I am going to do. I don't know how long does it take to make enough money to get out of here, but I'm going to try.

I actually run a small printing business where I make enough money. The bad news is, I don't have any machine or employee, so if I am moving to another city, it'll be hard for me to run my business. The good news is all my customers are coming from the internet, we never meet, and they do repeat order.

Thank you for your reply!

Re: Ask HN: My country is getting worse. Where to go?

#8

You could try to get sponsored by an employer. We've had two or three folks start out in different countries come to the US through our company. Each started as a contractor and became an employee. I'm not sure the success rate of this technique.

Are you referring to H1Bs or a different Visa? I couldn't even get an H1B from inside with a sponsor due to the lottery. Damn the "RNG."

Re: Ask HN: My country is getting worse. Where to go?

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I'm not an expert on this, but I heard once that even foreigners can get free college tuition in Germany. That might be wrong or inaccessible to you for some reason, but I think leaving your country by attending college would be ideal.

This is correct. You have to get admitted first of course.

Re: Ask HN: My country is getting worse. Where to go?

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post #4

I'm not an expert on this, but I heard once that even foreigners can get free college tuition in Germany. That might be wrong or inaccessible to you for some reason, but I think leaving your country by attending college would be ideal.

To be allowed to enter the country you still have to prove that you can sustain yourself. That means a scholarship or a bigger pile of cash.
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