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Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

#1
I'm in my early 40's and have traveled a lot during my 20's and 30's. I think I was always a little bit nervous about flying, but never enough to make me really anxious.

A few years ago, on a short flight to NYC, the plane went through a sudden turbulence. It was strong enough to send 2 flight attendants to the floor. It probably lasted 10-20 seconds and, during those seconds I thought we were going to crash because I had never experienced turbulence that strong.

Since then, I started to develop fear of flying. Even though I have flown since then, each time it has made me more anxious. Now I actively avoid flying.

After some introspection, I realized that I'm more afraid of the moments preceding the crash than actually dying. This fear got worse after I had a daughter because now I also picture how the last moments would be if she was by my side on a falling plane.

Rationally, I do know how infrequent plane crashes are, and how driving is more dangerous, but at the end I convince myself that the best way to not die on a plane crash is to not get on a plane. Since flying is not required for work, and I've already seen most of the world, it's not hard to convince myself that I don't need to get on a plane.

The last few times I've flown, I used a mental trick to help me get through it. I read that the odds of a plane crash is 1 in 1.2 million, so I used a random number generator to generate a number between 1 and 1.2 million, and then tried to guess what that number was. That gave me some relief but didn't completely stop the bad thoughts.

How do I overcome my fear of flying?

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#2
You may also want to compare that to the probability of road accident. I don't remember where and when I've read it (and haven't validated the sources) but IIRC, cars have significantly worse number of fatalities per kilometer than planes.

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#3
You and I have the exact same fear, literally with all the thoughts and symptoms you describe. Here was how I coped with it.

1) Limit flying, of course. Find a job that doesn't require travel by plane. Keep family and friends in the same locale if possible.

2) Comfort yourself with statistics. Cars on fast roads with no barriers are pretty dangerous. There's a low chance that you will be one of the unlucky few hundred that die on a plane every year out of tens of millions of passengers.

3) Benadryl + sleep strategies. If I have a morning flight, I stay up all night before hand and then take 2-3 benadryl right before boarding. It takes about 40 minutes to work, and it hits like a truck.

4) Let go of things you can't control :) Hard one....

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#4
Rationality may or may not work for your fears but here is an emotional component - every plane crash makes international news. Car crashes are so frequent they may not make local news. Before nearly every potential crash trained professional piliots are fighting for everyone's lives.

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#5
Cognitive behaviour therapy has a good evidence base and reasonable efficiacy for this kind of fear.

Some airlines will run a "get over your fear of flying" course.

Here are two, but there are others: https://www.britishairways.com/en-gb/information/travel-assi...

https://www.flyingwithoutfear.co.uk/

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post #2

You may also want to compare that to the probability of road accident. I don't remember where and when I've read it (and haven't validated the sources) but IIRC, cars have significantly worse number of fatalities per kilometer than planes.

https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-tips/airplanes-safes...

1 in 114 chance of dying in a car crash vs 1 in 9281 chance of dying in a plane crash. You can verify this anecdotally...we all know someone who has died in a car crash (I know at least 6 close friends and relatives who have), but nearly no one knows someone who died in a civilian plane crash.

But his fear is irrational so I don't know if statistics will help. Most people are afraid of sharks, lightning strikes, and snake bites even those these events are extremely rare, and nearly no one fears heart disease or cancer which are the top two causes of death by a factor of tens of thousands. 600k people will die of cancer this year vs maybe 500 plane deaths.

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#7
Same thing. I flew around the world dozens of times and my fear developed gradually over time. In the same way yours did, by experiencing some scary incidents.

I don't have a cure for myself so I obviously don't have one for you, but here are some ideas:

1. Look at how many flights work out well https://flightaware.com/live/ there's something like a million people in the air at any given time. It's extremely unlikely that your plane will be the unlucky one. Take a screenshot and keep it on your phone.

2. Think through how horrible a crash would be and then just accept that you might die like this. You're going to die eventually and this is far from the worst way you could go. Your family will probably get well compensated which is a plus.

3. Sit in the stable parts of the plane, which I believe is towards the front and over the wing. The tail flexes which makes for much worse turbulence.

4. Consider drugging yourself. I can't do it but lots of people pop an anti-anxiety pill. Your doctor will probably give you some if you tell them you can't fly. It may completely solve the problem by altering your brain chemistry. Not a good idea if you're at risk of developing an addiction.

5. Fly on the high quality airlines with big planes. They don't want to lose those $500 million planes so they generally staff them with good pilots and do proper maintenance.

6. Don't fly when the weather is bad, just because it might feel scarier.

7. Try to avoid flying at night, just because it might feel scarier.

8. Watch pilot videos on youtube to see how incredibly stable modern airplanes are. These machines are incredibly fault tolerant and capable of recovering from severe problems in many cases. They're not flimsy or weak. They're really badass.

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post #6
post #2

You may also want to compare that to the probability of road accident. I don't remember where and when I've read it (and haven't validated the sources) but IIRC, cars have significantly worse number of fatalities per kilometer than planes.

https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-tips/airplanes-safes... 1 in 114 chance of dying in a car crash vs 1 in 9281 chance of dying in a plane crash. You can verify this anecdotally...we all know someone who has died in a car crash (I know at least 6 close friends and relatives who have), but nearly no one knows someone who died in a civilian plane crash. But his fear is irrational so I don't know if statistics will…

These are kind of statistical lies. Flying on commercial airlines is very safe but almost everyone abuses the stats to tell a false story.

1. Per hour vs per mile is a completely different stat. Every hour in a plane is possibly more dangerous than every hour driven by a cautious driver. Of course it's true that you can cover far more ground in a 500mph plane.

2. Most Americans drive a lot more than they fly so even if they were equally safe there would be far more fatalities in cars per capita.

3. You can do a lot to mitigate your chances of a fatal car accident, like choosing a safe car, practicing defensive driving, not driving in the rain, not driving drunk, not driving at night, etc. A cautious driver will have a far lower chance than the average stat.

4. Also, driving is quite scary. I can't wait for a world with computer controlled cars that rarely crash.

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#9
I overcame my fear of flying by accepting that if it's my time, it's my time. I too am in my early 40s and I feel I have lived a decent life. Unlike you however, I haven't traveled much, and it became more of a priority for me to face this fear.

On a side note, the best way to overcome any fear is to face it, repeatedly. In my fight with flying fear, I forced myself to fly often and longer and longer distances. Secondly, you need to stop negative thoughts in their tracks. Fear is exacerbated by an endless stream of "what if" thoughts that can spiral out of control. I learned to practice mindfulness and stop these thoughts. It takes practice and patience, but you'll find how free you can be from fear when you learn to reject these thoughts.

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