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Ask HN: We're being censored. Why?

#1
This article (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16576569) was flagged and removed from the news pages.

Not even a flimsy excuse was given.

It is such an important topic - a person who ran a black site and destroyed the evidence before Congress could see it is now able to look at all our dick pics. This one shouldn't be shoved down the memory hole.

My comment on it is permanently compressed (even when the thread is opened in an entirely different browser) and has been stuck on 11 points. It's fucking weird, and I've never seen that on HN before.

As another commenter pointed out, informative and well sourced comments on the thread are flagged and grayed to oblivion. While most commenting has stopped since the page disappeared, there are a number of suspicious commenters still deflecting and inciting people in dumb directions.

Is this who you are HN?

Re: Ask HN: We're being censored. Why?

#2
In a word, yes.

Many of us (including me) find this matter interesting, but HN is designed to allow a tiny minority to flag content. Whether that's wise or not is another topic. It's always been HN's design.

You can't do much about other commenters, even if they are professional trolls paid by the post. Nonetheless, political matters (which this arguably is) are considered by many to be off-topic. That's why you're getting squelched.

Re: Ask HN: We're being censored. Why?

#4
> Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.

From the guidelines. (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html)

Re: Ask HN: We're being censored. Why?

#5
Any topic mentioning negative aspects of the tech community related to race are also usually flag bombed to death. Mistreatment of women in the tech community still get flagged pretty regularly but they seem to be getting vouched for more regularly now.

Re: Ask HN: We're being censored. Why?

#6
post #4

> Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. From the guidelines. ( https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html )

I often find this response in threads like this, and often see it as both a cop-out, and unfortunately "cherry-pick-able" as a guideline.

Spectre/Meltdown showed up on the news. Does that mean it's not relevant? Same goes for the Broadcomm purchase blocking. Same goes for whatever statement Elon Musk made this week, or the current SF housing policy. (I chose examples intentionally in "Decreasing-tech-relevancy" order, and could probably go even further and still be picking recurrently front-paging-topics.)

I would also argue that openly placing someone with such a history in charge of an agency we're all under the purview of, one with already such iffy history, is both interesting and new, and to echo my post from the thread in question, the prevalence of corporate governing boards to take members with iffy track records on these subjects to my eyes links the relevance directly with our purview as tech entrepreneurs. (see: Uber Board) I do not believe we (members of the tech community) can abscond the responsibility of involvement that our position affords us.

The "hide" button exists as well, and I've become somewhat saddened by the extent to which HN seems to lean on "flag" for topics which, in an interconnected world, I consider very worth discussing in a tech context. I have a fundamental mental dissonance with the pattern this enables, that "I don't want to see this topic discussed" turns into "I don't want others to see/discuss this topic." HN (and the startup/tech community as a whole) is not a monolith, and if the mechanisms of voting try to structure it that way, I see that as highly unfortunate.

(I don't mean to "complain about points" but it's rather absurd to look at the wild swings from +8 to -8 and back again for any of my posts on this topic. It speaks to me that there are at least two "factions" with very polarizing opinions on this, and the context has turned less from discussion into silencing vs vouching. I certainly don't remember seeing these patterns as strongly 5+ years ago.)

Re: Ask HN: We're being censored. Why?

#8
I think (but don't take my word for it) it's because it has nothing with tech/startups/whatever AND is related to politics/trump.

Back during the US election, HN became mostly news like this, and if I remember correctly it was decided it wasn't the purpose of HN to link to such news. It does not mean that these news are considered false, or not important, it does not mean censorship, it just means that HN is for a rather specific kind of stories.

Re: Ask HN: We're being censored. Why?

#9
You have to understand that HN is an artificial environment, specifically curated to dictate the behavior and thought processes of its users. It is a safe space for nerds who don't want to think about scary things like politics. If it causes heated "uncivil" conversation, it's off-limits here. Especially if the conversation is about civics.

Re: Ask HN: We're being censored. Why?

#10
post #3

I go to HN to read tech related things, not more political drivel. I'm glad it got removed.

It says a lot about what America has become that torturing people illegally and then destroying the evidence to cover your ass can be written off as just political issues.
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