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Ask HN: Developers – How did you learn to say NO?

#1
Your boss comes to you with some highly improbably task and you say YES.

Your Project Manager comes to you asking if something could be done and you say YES. And then you have a unbelievable deadline looming over you for the next few days.

Your peers ask you for some help on a task that they had been struggling with - for days. You say YES and then you end up having to feel the burn for their complete workload.

Your subordinates ask you for help every five minutes and you always say YES and end up helping them and sometimes end up doing all the task yourself - veiled under 'mentoring'.

How do you say NO? How did you learn to say NO?

Re: Ask HN: Developers – How did you learn to say NO?

#2
You have a horrible PM if that person is tossing extra work at you. Your PM should be tracking your time to your goals and know if you are on track or behind. If you are ahead they should be able to add work if needed.

Anyone else that asks you to do something should go through the PM. Its up to your PM to decide if that work should be done before your sprint work is done.

So tell people to talk to your PM. If that person has no idea how to be a PM then its time to talk to your boss to find a real one

Re: Ask HN: Developers – How did you learn to say NO?

#3
I have a hard time saying no myself.

But hey, for the big cases, you can always go back to the person and say, "sorry, but it's not really going to work. I didn't take into account _____." If they're mad, they're mad. It's like a breakup--it's not ideal, but people change their minds about things, and everyone has to make the best of it.

Sometimes, it's like a marriage proposal to in a public venue. It's hard to say no, but later on, you get to examine your feelings, and you have to eventually make a decision that's true to yourself.

The small cases have to be practice for the big cases.

Eventually, with experience, you'll start to see the patterns, but for now, just do what's best for yourself (which may include following through with the yes).

Re: Ask HN: Developers – How did you learn to say NO?

#7
post #5

I'm not the first person to say Agile is perfect, but Agile fixes this. "These are my tasks for this sprint. If you want me to do that task, we have to have a meeting to find out what I wont have time for".

+1 for "which other thing should I not get done?"

Not a confrontational question, just a logical one.

Re: Ask HN: Developers – How did you learn to say NO?

#8
You just say no man, it's that simple. Then you follow up with the reason.. (no, because I have a deadline for X project, and X gets delayed, we'll make less money..do you wanna make less money?) They hired you, so they trust you.

Obviously if you don't have a reason for your no, then you have to go with the yes. As a manager, I'd rather get a no instead of a 'yes' that ends up fucking up everything later because I wasn't aware of something.

Re: Ask HN: Developers – How did you learn to say NO?

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post #6

I just said no one day. It got easier the day after that, and easier still the day after that.

This is it simply, part of growing up. Although I might clarify, you could say yes until you plate is full, then you say, "sorry, I'm booked until…"
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