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Ask HN: Where is the next Shenzhen?

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I'm not asking for the city that will replace it, but more if anyone knows cities containing a similar entrepreneurial/maker drive, that are perhaps undiscovered by most western people?

This is because I would like to visit/live in places like these before they become well known (kind of like a hipster, but with less facial hair)

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Shenzhen is an anomaly, the ecosystem is a product of the nexus of manufacturing, their supporting supply chains, geography and government incentives.

There is nothing like it on the horizon, though if you're in the states take a look at the revival of manufacturing in the old rust belt cities

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I see a lot happening in Lausanne in Switzerland. Lots of medical devices, biosciences companies doing some pretty cool things. Look it up

Definately. Zürich also has a growing startup scene

Also check out Norway. Reference: http://startupnorway.com/oslo-startup-scene-growing/

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definately. Zürich also has a growing startup scene

Also check out Norway. Reference: http://startupnorway.com/oslo-startup-scene-growing/

OP asked for a city and you responded by naming a country? To make matters worse to support your claim you reference a trade group website that "was started because we saw a lack of community and support for entrepreneurs in Norway."

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As others have mentioned, nothing is even close. For certain types of industries there are cities in the US and Europe that are competitive (eg mil/aero in Los Angeles and DC metros), but for general product development and especially consumer electronics nothing is close.

What do you hope to gain out of living in these places? There are plenty of foreigners who have been in Shenzhen for over a decade and are only marginally more interesting or successful now than when they arrived. The location rarely changes what's inside. If you find Shenzhen interesting, just come! It (and the rest of the HK+PRD megalopolis) is not even close to peaking in terms of creative or engineering output. Just bear in mind that there will always be a barrier. If you're thinking of turning into a local you need to be either (A) a skilled Chinese (B) an extremely well capitalized foreign company (C) an extremely skilled foreigner willing to spend years in the city and learn the language to fluency.

All that being said, you want to look for cities with strong population growth trends, very low wages, and huge levels of government investment. India is probably your best bet, though I know nothing about it other than what's in the news that they want to be the next China. That will be tough since India is missing some absolutely fundamental pre-requisites to the kind of growth China has had.

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As others have mentioned, nothing is even close. For certain types of industries there are cities in the US and Europe that are competitive (eg mil/aero in Los Angeles and DC metros), but for general product development and especially consumer electronics nothing is close. What do you hope to gain out of living in these places? There are plenty of foreigners who have been in Shenzhen for over a decade and are only ma…

Have any suggestions as to which companies might be in point B? Currently planning on going to China or Taiwan to work (Computer/Electrical Engineering and/or Software).

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I was in Cebu, Philippines earlier in the year on business. Tech is absolutely booming over there and yet it's completely unheard of in the Western world. We're more interested in outsourcing development work but there seemed to be a lot of homegrown talent and innovation. Cost of living is low as well (although rising).
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